Mentality
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All right, so what I was saying is every boy, every child has some sort of traumatic experience, some sort of
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pain, some sort of embarrassment or humiliation that happens.
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And what happens is the personality in a boy splinters off and you almost develop this autonomous
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sort of automatic separate
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personality that essentially tries to stabilize the injured personality. So the wishes, the, the memories, the, the. The traumatic responses to whatever that painful moment was, you develop this autonomous separate personality. And if you've ever delved into Carl Jung's work, he talks about individuation is the process of man.
So every man is designed to fully individuate. The only way to do that is to integrate all of these extra stellar constellatory personalities that splinter off and form, right? So by the time you're in high school, as a boy becoming a man, you've already developed a lot of psychological complexes. And I call them complexes because they are autonomous personalities that have essentially acted as infection sites to protect you from pain.
Now, those of you who are highly educated know there's plenty of archetypal complexes, right? We got Napoleon complex, there's Messiah complexes. There's all sorts of variations of splintered
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personalities that people develop.
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Now here's the deal. Who lean in heavy to these natural responses to pain usually either win big or lose big. There's really no in between. Either become a extraordinary genius or you become a burnout loser.
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It's one of the two.
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It's one of the two, depending on how hard you lean in. However, there's signs and symptoms all throughout school where you can kind of tell the trajectory of someone's life. And I'll give you a personal example. When I was in high school, I was extremely disenchanted by the curriculum.
Thought it was a joke. I don't know what it was. But from. From a very early age, I had a very skeptical, cynical approach to school.
Never bought into revisionist history. Always thought it was. Never really believed the party line. Like whatever they were teaching me about history just.
I just thought it was all. Whatever they're teaching me about math thought it was. So I. I did not excel at school because I didn't give a.
I didn't want to be there. I had other aspirations that just weren't being met. So I was. I was a very unruly student.
And so I would be at house, at my house. And me and my brother, I have a younger brother, we were latchkey kids, so we had really no parental supervision. In the mornings, my parents would bounce
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and it would just be me and him.
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In the mornings. And I was, I was obviously man of the house because I'm the oldest sibling. So what would happen is, and it's very interesting in retrospect because you can totally see the formation of these different personality types right around this time when you're like 15, 16. So my brother would bring over this little fucking motley crew of kids in the morning.
They would all use my house as like a hub. And they would all fucking come at like 5:30 in the morning and goof off and fuck around before school. And they would all walk to school. Now I was ditching school.
I was trying to fudgeing, learn the stock market. I was reading fucking textbooks. I was, I was at home like working on other. Had zero interest in completing school at all.
So I would, as master and commander of the house, obviously, because there's no parental supervision, I'm the older brother, I would enforce the. Out of the rules in the house. Like he, he would have kids coming over that I thought were nerds and dorks. And I would bully them coming from a good place because I was trying to cajole them into snapping out of this very weird funk.
Like I never had, I've always been a cowboy. I never really had the desire that when I looked at my peers, I never really had the desire that ordinary did to have like huge groups of friends. I never hung out in huge packs. If I hung out with other dudes, it was very utilitarian, you know what I mean?
Like I had a, I had a buddy across the street who was my age. He, he ended up playing for the Boston Red Sox. And I was there when he called his shot before he made it to the big leagues. I knew he was going to make it because me and him were up when we were 15 at like 5:30 in the morning going on five mile runs.
We would swim, we would lift weights and shit. So any, any male companion that I kicked it with, it was very utilitarian in nature. We were either plotting together, trying to make money, trying to, you know, scheme whatever the fuck it was, or we were training. But my brother would have these, this sort of ragtag group of dudes coming in the morning and they would goof the off.
They'd be like doing pillow fights and shit, hitting each other on the couch, watching SpongeBob. And I would get out of bed at like 5:30 because they would wake me up and I would go ballistic on these dudes. I'm talking absolutely fucking ballistic. Just like enforcing arbitrary rules, you know, you're on my home turf, the fuck you guys doing goofing off at 5:30?
But I could always tell that those types of dudes who had those kind of miscellaneous milk toast, you know, kind of just nondescript type of friends like those dudes ended up doing nothing, literally nothing. And the signs and symptoms were all there. And like when I was 16, there was a period of time where I did not get along with my parents at all. And I had to go move in with my grandmother, my dad's mom.
And this woman had a heart of gold. And she was poor as she was literally on like Social Security. She had no stability, but she had a heart of gold. And I loved her to death.
And she accepted me for who I was. She accepted my kind of unruly, artistic ways. So I would go there and I lived there for a couple months. And when I was there, I was 16 years old.
I should have been in school, but I was kicking it with her. I was fucking around on the computer. I was learning hacking, I was learning all sorts of crazy shit. And what happened is she had this gnarly, gnarly fucking open wound on her foot.
I'm talking the most horrifying thing I've ever seen in my life. And I didn't understand what it was
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at the time, time, but she had
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this very thick bandage over it, very thick bandage. And this nurse from, I believe a Medicaid program would come over daily and suture and dress the wound. And I had never really seen what the wound looked like. I was just there around.
And this was the coziest house you've ever seen in your life. It was tiny, but the way she did it, the decorum, even the bed was like no joke, probably a 50 shitty mattress. But the way she folded the blankets, the feng shui, just the orientation of the room and the way she did it made it extraordinarily comfortable. It felt like literally for the first time in my life, I actually felt like I had a home.
So I'm in there, I'm seeing this wound get dressed every day. And I had never actually seen the wound because it was always bandaged. And then one day my grandma was around with it and she was unfurling the bandage and I fucking caught a glimpse of it. And I'm not joking, it was a, it was, first of all, it was mrsa, which is a staph infection.
It was the most insane skin, flesh eating disease I've ever seen in my life. Looked like she had fucking black plague. Literally black plague. Like I could see down to the bone in her foot, and when she would move, when she would dorsiflex her ankle, you could literally see the tissue contracting around the bone.
Like, I could see all the mechanics and machinations of the human body, like, flexing and contorting. Extremely bizarre. But I knew something was. Was deathly wrong.
No pun intended. And I knew that she wasn't getting the proper treatment. I just had a hunch. So I asked her.
I was like, grandma, what are you. I was like, what is this nurse
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doing for your foot?
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Like, what the is she doing every
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day when she comes over here?
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And she was like, she's giving me this shit called Bactrim. Now, if you know anything about Bactrim, it's one of the most mild antibiotics on earth. It's like. It's literally like treating a gunshot wound with.
With a bottle of Evian water. Makes zero sense. But at the time, I didn't know it. And at the time, too, when I was 16, all we had was 56k modem.
Like, literally America Online. You had to connect to. And the Internet was slow. You had to go in the deep web to go on forums and get
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any kind of answers.
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It was a completely different time if you wanted to browse for esoteric hacks.
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And
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so I pop on the computer, and I'm doing a bunch of research on Backstrom, and I'm like, what the is this medication?
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Find out. It's a mild antibiotic.
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Boom. Start stumbling across the dark web.
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Boom.
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Start logging into forums, making anonymous account. I'm shooting out questions, and I'm firing through Egypt. I'm firing through the Tiber River. I'm literally just launching messages into the abyss, trying to get a quick answer, because I know.
I just have an intuition that something is seriously wrong. Sure enough, I get a response. Some grassroots, home style doctor is like. He's like, look, Bactrim is a fucking joke for mrsa.
He's like, she needs to get on
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vancomycin, which is a very, very potent antibiotic. And she was.
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And he was like, she needs to
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get on it now.
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Because I didn't even show a picture, But I was extremely descriptive with my language. So I go up to my grandma, and I'm like, hey, grandma, you're getting in the truck. I had this badass truck at the time. And I was like, grandma, you're going in the truck.
And she was like, what are you talking about? She's like, no, I'm not. And I was like, yes, you are. I was like, you're going in the truck.
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We're going to the hospital right now.
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I was like, there's something seriously wrong with your foot.
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It's malpractice.
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You're not getting the right treatment. She fought me on it. I lifted her up. I'll never forget it.
I literally picked her up. Her arms were flailing, she was wailing in this guy, lamenting, telling me she's not going to. Threw her over my shoulder, got her to calm down, threw her in the truck, blazed down to the hospital, take her in. Nurses take one look at her foot and their jaw was agape.
I have never seen a facial expression like this on a stranger in my entire life. I'm talking full, palm stretched out, hand over their mouth, like, how the fuck
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is this woman not dead?
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Doctor comes out, bang, emergency surgery. Need to put her in now. She would probably have to amputate her foot is what they tell me. So she goes in, boom.
Gotta amputate her foot. Doctor comes out literally applauding me, tapping me on the shoulder. He's like, if she. If you had not taken her here within about 48 hours, she was done.
So she was not coming back. She was going to give up the ghost. You would have seen her in Elysium. Literally.
It was. It was that. It was that down to the wire. It was that down to the wire.
And anyway, the bottom line is they ended up saving her life. She came home and I ended up staying at her crib for like another four months taking care of her. But what I'm telling the whole point of the story is I was 16 years old and I'm saving my grandmother's life with some fucking Robinson Caruso MacGyver tricks, you know what I mean? Just thinking outside the box, being resourceful, being industrious.
You see? You see where I'm going with this? Life trajectory. Life trajectory can easily be predicted at a very early age.
While these mother and I thinking about at the time, I was like, I'm 16, I'm out of school, just saved my grandmother's life. What the. My brother doing? Playing video games, watching spongebob and eating Frosted Flakes, you know what I mean?
And all those guys that I fucking. Look, I was real mean to one of his friends. One of his friends was. He's like a modern day troll, but in real life.
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And I kind of.
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I kind of had an affinity for him because he.
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He wouldn't break.
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Like, there's. There's nothing I could do or say that would break this dude in half. And. And I tried hard because I really wanted to get him into doing some real.
And this guy would just come home and around and off all day. And then after school, he would come, come home and do the same thing. So it was just interesting to just look back and understand that these complexes are ever present in everybody's life. And the overarching theme, because I've been experimenting with this heavy.
And I can tell you for a fact that a lot of these complexes
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that men develop around, around trauma, usually
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it's an embarrassment or some kind of
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humiliation is what I want to say.
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Usually there's a moment if you trace the thread back into the maze, where
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you were embarrassed at an early age
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in some capacity or a need wasn't met, or you weren't nurtured in some capacity, and you end up strong arming
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and developing this type of personality, callous over it.
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And now we all know modern therapy and the modern medical multiplex is designed
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to boil that down, right?
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They want to remove your complexes is
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what they want to do. But if you're a naturalist, like I
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am, and you respect the human body and all its majesty, then you understand that the body is smarter than you are. And if you were afflicted with something
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and your personality forges a response to
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that, a response to that threat of the stability of self, then it's very hard to argue, very difficult to argue that's an unhealthy cope, right? Because we all have complexes.
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That's just a fact.
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And the ones who do go on to achieve extraordinary things and beat the
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odds and beat the probabilities, the ones who are the dark horses, the underdogs,
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the guys who always strike back and
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always prevail in the end.
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In the end, the end is all that matters. In the middle of the story, a lot of crazy shit's gonna happen, but all that matters is that you prevail
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in the end, right?
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Well, all of those leaned heavy into these complexes. You know who a shining example of this is? You know who the best. I'm telling you, this guy is a case study.
And a lot of you guys have really missed the mark. To really understand the kind of nectar
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that's kind of bled out from this
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dude's rise is the whole Tate thing. The whole Tate thing. Tate is a per. Can.
First of all, can you imagine if Tate had interrupted his.
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His. His rebirth by going to therapy?
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I mean, I mean, just imagine what
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would have happened to his rise had
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he enrolled in some sort of therapy process?
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To fix his flaws or. Or beat himself up or tear himself
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down or fix any of these complexes. The tape that you know never would
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have happened would have been erased from
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the annals of history.
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Not possible. That's number one.
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Number two, Tate. The reason I respect Tate so much, the number one reason why I respect Tate so much is because he is a man who slaughtered his psyche day in and day out until he became
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numb and all he was left with is a mission.
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I'm going to say that again. Tate slaughtered his psyche, which, by the way, is the masculine imperative. A lot of men have yet to figure out that the mind is a bludgeon. It's a fucking cudgel.
And the mind is best used as a man for bludgeoning and for blocking out thoughts that barricade you from accomplishing your mission. Thinking. Thinking is by far best used for
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knowing what thoughts not to entertain or think.
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That's what thinking is. Thinking is a bat. You gotta shoot. You gotta shoot creeping thoughts of doubt
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and fear out of the sky.
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And if you do this every day as a 24 7, 365 job, you
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will be a bat out of hell.
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You will be hell on wheels, and
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you will be a force to be reckoned with.
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Now, this is the absolute apex, hardest thing to do as a man is to. Is to emotionally dominate yourself and beat your mind into a place of submission where all you have left is your mission. There is no work on Earth that is near every as difficult or rewarding or dangerous, quite frankly, because obviously you're
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going to have to stretch your imagination and mind into places that a lot
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of people are unwilling to go. Because things do. Circuits do break along the way. Circuits do break along the way.
And it's very hard to trust a man who hasn't had a few circuit breaks now and then. Because we all know about neuroplasticity, we all know the brain bounces back relatively well, depends how far you go. That's why I don't believe in drugs. That's why I don't experiment with
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any
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drugs whatsoever, is because of the simple fact that all the insights that you glean on drugs, psychedelics, plant medicine, it's incredible how quickly and readily accessible those same lessons are available to you. If you just move the chains along the way to your goals, if you're moving the chains along the way to your goals, all the insights, all the epiphanies, all the revelations, they're gonna slap you like a bolt from the blue. That's just how it works. You don't need any of those surrogate measures.
You just got to keep moving the chains. You got to keep moving the chains and obviously there's going to be, you know, you're going to be blood marred. You're gonna. There's going to be carnage, there's going to be internal carnage.
Most men are unwilling to go to the place that Tate went into his head to become who he is. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have to understand, this is an objective fact. Tate was a nerd.
Go look at teenage pictures of Tate, he was a nerd, he was a chess nerd. And look who he became. It's one of the most honorable, it's one of the most honorable human transmogrifications you will ever witness in your entire life. What that guy did.
I don't think people really understand the mental brutality, the type of self talk that motherfucker had to orchestrate every single day to beat out all the weakness in himself to become who he was. You know what I mean? I did that brute saga space or that Tate saga space, go find it on SoundCloud. But I love it.
Because he truly is an exemplar and a Templar of the Nietzschean ethic, which
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is will to power.
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That man, Tate. I will tell you this over and over again because it's one of the most powerful things that a human being can do. Tate lied his way to the truth.
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That's exactly what he did.
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He lied his way to the truth. He embellished the out of his personal story, embellished the fuck out of his philosophy. But here's the thing. He actually in the end made it all real.
He made it all come true. That's alchemy, by the way. That's the real definition of alchemy. Because look, in its constituent form and its fundamental basis form, every time a man has a dream, a vision or a goal, it starts as a lie.
Starts as a lie. You tell yourself you're going to do
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something that you haven't done yet. That's a bold face lie.
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It's a bold faced lie. And men, men, since we are the seekers of truth and the purveyors of
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truth and quite frankly the guardians of
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truth, our job is to make those
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visions come true in the real world.
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And that's what alchemy is. And that's honestly what the, that's what
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the masculine ethic is.
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It's taking fantasy and making it real,
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first from vision, then through action.
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And that man, I just don't think people Truly give credit to the self torture and punishment that it truly took for him to be on the pulpit that he's on today. Because I'm telling you, the mind, the mind when you have to will yourself to a place or to become a person that you're really not. The deconditioning process, the deprogramming process, you
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know, let's go back to the school example.
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All that bullshit that you learned in school. If you think it's all the programming that you learned from your parents, that deconditioning process is the fucking Lord's work. Anybody who's willing to go in to and rummage through that and rifle through themselves and to truly understand where they got their programming from and to be
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willing to strip mine that down.
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It is the most brutal work on earth. And I'm not even talking about from a therapist perspective. I'm talking about deconditioning your programming to be who the you want to be who you decide to be. Doubling down on your flaws, doubling down on the that's that's caused your pain.
Learning to integrate those parts of your personality that you up and take you off your path and realizing that if you take those away, you have no edge. Where's your edge? It's gone. It's gone.
When men fix themselves as an obsession and you know, in a compulsory fashion, they destroy, they destroy everything, they destroy their life.
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And they're basically dedicating their life to
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the gods of mediocrity. You'll see it time and time again. You'll never see someone and you'll never see a man very focused on fixing himself. Not become a serious emotional wreck.
They become an emotional wreck, they become
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hypersensitive, they get their feelings hurt all the time.
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They have to clear the air. They got to pull you to the side, talk about this. That hurt their feelings becomes very bizarre. Very bizarre.
And by the way, at no point
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in human history prior to like the
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1920s when all these self help programs really became prominent, at no point in time is there any record of men
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doing this kind of work.
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You know what I mean? Cowboys would be cowboys, killers would be killers. People played their roles to absolute perfection, which is part of the harmony of the universe. If the ecosystem thrives off of that.
The ecosystem thrives when people play their roles perfectly.
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And they double down on their true nature.
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And they double down on their true nature. And it is the scariest thing to do because men like to have a
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vice grip on their safety and sanity.
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That's what they like to do. In the modern world, men love to have a vice grip on safety and sanity. And that type of, that type of
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aversion to risk is very deadly, by
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the way, because I have found through
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personal experience, you have to die.
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You have to literally, I almost mean it literally, but it is a metaphor. You almost have to die. You have to kill the boy, you have to kill yourself multiple times before
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you can truly live.
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That's just how it works. And what I mean by that is that deconditioning process of ripping out and
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tearing out the circuitry in the motherboard
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that was installed in you by other
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being a people pleaser and trying to appease everybody.
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It's going to completely wreck your life. It's going to completely wreck your life. And by the way, there's a huge difference to getting your life wrecked through somebody else's terms. And there's a huge, massive difference from getting your life wrecked on your own terms because you can put yourself back together like Humpty Dumpty.
When you're living life on your own terms, you can always string together another run. You know what I mean? It's not over till the fat lady sings. That is an extremely true Maxim.
It's extremely true. We are going to, we're going to pop off here and have some launch off on this discussion. Oh, by the way, I do. I had some, some of these iconic tweets from a while ago where I was talking about how.
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What was I saying?
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I was saying that the real world is never going out of style, something to that effect. That basically, you know, people would be cutting deals and chopping up, you know,
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big numbers on cocktail napkins over dinner
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till the end of time. I have somewhat changed my position. I do think that the real world is somewhat eerily dead right now. And I want you to hear this.
People are making money online, people are finding friends online, people are doing hobbies online, people are meeting mates online. Everything's online. So it seems to me, and this is just a cultural miscellaneous commentary, seems to me that touching grass is just a mere recess to recharge, to get back online. It's almost like the real world now.
You take a little break, you go to the gym, you get some sun, you do your deal, and then you get back online, because that's just where everything's headed. And I think that if you don't, I think if you don't accept this paradigm, I do think you're going to be shoulders behind people in the next decade or so. That's my prediction. I want you to hold me to it.
And I want you to quote that one in the newspaper, because I do think. I do think the real world is somewhat going out of style. There's just. There's nothing there anymore.
It's. I mean, everything's online, and I've somewhat had to embrace this myself. All right, let's.
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Let's launch.
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You guys can ask me anything. I don't give a. Yo, Chris, you're up. Hey, what's up?
What's up, brother? Yeah, do I just talk about, like, whatever? I mean, bro, you. I just did.
I just gave you. I just gave you grist for the mill. Do you have someone to say, say it or if you have a question, ask it.
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If not. I'm gonna move.
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Keep it moving.
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Yeah, I just hopped in like the, like the past five minutes, so, I mean.
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All right, bro. I'm gonna keep it moving. Appreciate you.
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All right.
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The rag line.
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What's up, brother?
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Yo, what's up, brute? So, first of all, I totally agree with that last thing you said. I've been saying that for a while. Kind of like the real world is a.
It's a reset for the online world, especially as we get into more integration. So I just wanted to agree with you on that. But my question is about, like, leaning into the. Or examining balance for men.
Like something that I've been getting into over the last seven or eight years is kind of constant self analysis of my emotions and like trying to stay present and in control of them. How do you look at that when you're talking about kind of almost leaning into your chaos and embracing like, like that nature of just complete psychopathy that we all have to some little degree, and harnessing that versus, like staying balanced in the moment and being able to execute and not letting you know that nonsense get in the way.
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Yeah, I mean, look, speaking of, speaking of the fast changing culture, I think men have to understand that the. The gender roles are somewhat inverted right now. So men in general are a lot more emotionally expressive. Men are a lot more emotional than they have been in the past.
This whole, you know, veneration of Marcus Aurelius and the Meditations and the stoic philosophers, that just doesn't fly in this society. I think that the.
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Look, this is.
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I'm speaking from experience. I've done all the self help work in the world. That's why I'm such a critic of it. I've literally read every self help book you could possibly fathom.
I've perused the bookshelf, my Entire life trying to look for the answers. The answers are inside, that's a fact. All the answers are in the mirror. But in conjunction with that, I do want to share with you that I tried very hard to manage and monitor my ego and monitor my emotions for years.
And it led me nowhere and fast. So once I learned to use my mind as a steel trap, and what I mean by steel trap is your mind is somewhat of a Venus fly trap. You got to be able to capture and synthesize information very quickly. And then once you've done that, I do believe it's explosive emotions, like miniature outbursts of emotions.
Whether that's joy, glee, felicity, whatever the fuck it is. I think it's important to just kind of lean into that. So I believe in bursts, intense bursts of emotion. I don't feel the need to examine or monitor why I'm feeling the way I feel.
I'm telling you from a. From a raw power perspective. From a raw power perspective, which I imagine everybody in this space to some degree, is in search of some kind of power. Whether it's local, whether it's in your own domain, whatever the it is.
Men do have a natural proclivity. Proclivity to seek power. My point is, is that if you're after raw power, your mind is best used to somewhat numb and jade yourself. I've said this before, it's a controversial opinion.
I know the fucking clinicians would go into an air clawing rave out of their leather chair if they heard me say this, but I do know for a fact it's true. Because men seem to operate better in positions of leadership. They, they tend to rise rank very quickly when they're somewhat in a numb and jaded state. Now I don't think that state is best prescribed through alcohol and through drugs.
I think it's best used from having an exhausted, worn out mind, from pursuing your mission. Because when a man is numb and somewhat jaded, you have a very objective landscape of reality. And then by the way, other can lean on your shoulder heavy because you're just not, you're a little bit desensitized. I'm, I, I do believe through experimenting with my own philosophy, men are at their apex when they're somewhat desensitized to the world.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, it's just, it's just a natural progress of being a man. You get your heart broken the first time when your girlfriend leaves you. It's the most painful experience of your life. You're tossing and turning, you can't Sleep for weeks.
You can't eat, you're too hungry to eat, you're even too tired to sleep. You know what I mean? It has this sort of reverse casted effect. But as you get older and you get more experience under your belt as a man, it gets easier to slog through the cycles, you know what I mean?
I've been here before, I've seen this before. I can call upon my past experience. I've dealt with this before. So you do become jaded and numb as a man as you get older.
Now women have to have the opposite approach. It's very, very detrimental for women to become numb and jaded. Very detrimental.
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And we'll talk about that later because
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I am experiencing with some avant garde theories and that I've been kicking around and rotating. A lot of people will disagree with me on it, but it's still kind of a working thesis. Women are the more pliable sex by far, by the way. They're far more malleable than men.
Women are born pretty much knowing who they are from a very early age. They don't really go through identity crisis is the way that men do. Men have to prove themselves every day, that's a fact.
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So men, women are the more pliable sex.
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Men are very, very stuck in their ways, very pig headed. It's very hard to change a man's true nature. I would, I would venture to say it's almost impossible.
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So. I appreciate your question.
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I know I kind of went tangential there, but yeah, I just had a
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quick follow up that was actually really good. So the numbness that you're talking about, is that a result of kind of like, like just suppression and then comfort and suppression of emotion where like you basically have this, this you, you rile everything up and you kind of just like dissolve it to the side.
HOST
You execute and then.
CALLER 2
But eventually it boils over. You have an outburst to get it the out a way. I guess a follow up would be like when you have those outbursts, are those things that you experience with other people or do you try to have that in isolation? Because that could either.
I think depending on the person in the situation, it could either damage a relationship, not just a romantic one, but any kind, or it could maybe strengthen your position depending on like if it's another person in power and you have a. This, I don't know, just an outburst that can kind of put you in a good light depending on the situation. Like how do you look at experiencing?
HOST
That's a great question. That's a actually A perfect question. So here's how it works for me. I.
I do believe presentation is very important as a man. Okay. I think presentation is, is a one. I do not believe in outbursts in public.
I do believe in being polite. I do believe in parlor etiquette. I believe in being well mannered in public spaces. However, when you are solo, I do believe that is the laboratory and that is where men can get very, very experimental.
I choose to have my outburst alone. There was a run last year, dude. I was hemorrhaging millions and millions and millions of dollars on a gambling run. Literally could not hit anything.
My system was failing me. I was going through the toughest time of my life. Every night. I was reliving the most horrific experiences you could possibly imagine.
I went through this for six months. I lived 100 years in that six months. And I will write a book on
CALLER 1
this someday and share with you guys
HOST
the wisdom and that I gleaned. Because I went deep, deep into the fucking troughs of my psyche during that. It's incredible that I actually physically survived it. And it's incredible that I didn't fall ill.
That's how fucking repulsive the situation was. I would have these supernova outbursts on my own where I would just smash to dust in my house. I would turn over tables, crack chairs in half. It was like a one minute outburst.
And then I'd just be. I'd just be cool again. And I just had to get it out. I just had to just smash it, smash electronics, break TVs.
And I was doing that probably once a week. And honestly, it was the most mentally healthy, sane thing I could do. I came to realize this during that process. I was like, this pressure valve that I'm releasing is that men.
I bet you they go 50, 60 years and they've never had the emancipation or the liberty to do what I just did. They're bottled up and they don't know how to release it. And I'm telling you, dude, there's a reason why when men climb to the top of a mountain or they're in the fucking wilderness, you do have this very primal urge to scream at the top of your lungs. If you've ever gone to the top of a fucking mountain and there's no one around, you just want to let out that fucking war cry.
You want to let out that war cry when no one's around. I do think that men are extraordinarily repressed, emotionally extraordinarily repressed. I think the red pill movement is a Huge fucking co factor to this. I think the red pill movement has taught a lot of men to try to be cool Hand Luke all the time.
Try to act like nothing phases you. Try to act like nothing bothers you. You're too cool to get upset. I think that has caused an absolute fucking slurry of devastation to men's psyches.
I'm. I'm. I'm 100% positive that it has. Like, like I said, I had.
I had a tweet, dude, and I. Look, mine was a little more frequent because I was going through an extremely difficult time. However. However, I do think once a year, a man needs to just go into a fucking room and just bash it in.
CALLER 1
Truly, because the modern world is so cucked and gay, there's really no rites
HOST
of passage or rituals.
CALLER 1
You know, like, that's the appeal of CrossFit. Like, I genuinely think CrossFit's pretty gay. But I think the reason why CrossFit took off is just because it's like one of the few bastions on earth
HOST
where a man can go to a
CALLER 1
gym and have his shirt off and
HOST
work out and slam weights and fucking war cry and scream.
CALLER 1
No one gives a fuck.
HOST
You can throw chalk and blood everywhere.
CALLER 1
People don't care. Commercial gyms. Commercial gyms are very repressive to men. They don't let you fucking have your shirt off.
You got to fucking, you know, dress code. There's all sorts of really gay rules in place in modern gyms. So even when a man is exerting himself physically as an outlet, he still doesn't have the emotional release because he's still bottled up. So I think, like, I think the CrossFit thing was interesting because it was
HOST
kind of an emblem of masculinity for
CALLER 1
a while because dudes realized, I can
HOST
go in there and be a barbarian for an hour.
CALLER 1
The modern world is seriously so paused that you almost. Something like a CrossFit ends up saving an entire generation of humanity. I'm being dead serious. Like, I don't think people understand how many dudes would be incarcerated or in
HOST
the asylum or in the graveyard if
CALLER 1
they didn't have the physical outlets to exert themselves. And I think there's an emotional component
HOST
to that is widely disregarded.
CALLER 2
Do you think women are like, a stable woman is attracted to a man that is in control of his emotion?
HOST
No.
CALLER 1
No, I think it's the opposite. I think it's the opposite. So I was actually going to say
HOST
this on the spaces earlier.
CALLER 1
Here's some food for Thought. I think I've been playing with this
HOST
theory for a while, and I'm.
CALLER 1
I'm pretty close to cracking it. I do fully believe that women are the rock in the relationship.
HOST
I do.
CALLER 1
I think women are the rock. Men are the providers. Men obviously put themselves through extenuating circumstances.
HOST
They go on their high adventures. They pillage, plunder, rape, whatever the they need to do.
CALLER 1
They acquire resources. Right? They bring them home. However, I do believe that the true emotional rock is a woman.
I think the man is the tempest. I think the man is the eye in the storm.
HOST
And I think when a man is going through a tantrum or a bad
CALLER 1
mood, I have seen from experience how the feminine energy and the feminine grace
HOST
is able to soothe those energies.
CALLER 1
I don't think it works in reverse. I think when a woman's flipping out
HOST
and a man tries to console her,
CALLER 1
I think in several examples, and I haven't seen anybody discuss this, but men that are highly emotive and highly emotional, as long as they're successful, tend to have more loyal women. They tend to have more loyal women. I think it creates a trust. I think it creates some kind of bond.
And by the way, women are at their best. Women are at their very best when
HOST
they're soothing a man who would generally be considered inconsolable. Does that make sense? Yeah.
CALLER 2
But I. You know, what's interesting is I've. I've been listening lately to Justin Waller kind of say something a little bit different about, like, you don't. Like, you don't ever bring your problems to a woman.
HOST
No, you don't. No, you don't.
CALLER 1
But that's different. You don't. You don't have to. You don't.
Yes.
CALLER 2
The girl just having her energy present versus you, like, bringing it.
CALLER 1
That is correct. That is correct. I. I definitely do not believe you
HOST
should be airing out your problems to women in any way, shape or form. However, I think pretending that you're in a really mood when you're not is very gay. Thanks.
CALLER 1
Appreciate it, brother. Yo, Mr. Pearson. What's up, buddy?
Drew, you're up. All right, let's try to get Danny on here.
HOST
I don't know if you can hear me.
CALLER 1
Yo, Danny.
CALLER 4
Yo, what's up, brute?
CALLER 1
What's up, brother?
CALLER 4
So you're talking about complexes earlier, and I. I just wanted to ask you, in terms of older and younger siblings, how do you think that translates later in life in.
CALLER 1
In terms of what? Can you amplify that question?
CALLER 4
Yeah. So you were talking about. You were obviously like Dominating the house because you're the older sibling. And I think there's definitely some overlap that I've.
I've seen where, like, you know, older siblings are. Are more dominant and, you know, like, younger siblings are more scrappy.
CALLER 8
I'd.
CALLER 4
I'd like to hear, you know, what, what your thoughts are on, you know, how that translates later in life.
HOST
So here's how it works. If you do not have a male role model or like a father figure present. In my case, we did not. So I was the figurehead, right?
I was basically the arbiter of. I was the arbiter of the family from the masculine perspective.
CALLER 1
We didn't have a father around.
HOST
So my brother. How it works is this. And you'll see numerous examples of this throughout history and probably in your own life. If you look hard enough when a younger brother has.
Is in a position where he has to look up to the older brother for guidance and leadership, and then that relationship decays. At some point in their life, the younger brother is totally, totally. You will very, very rarely see a younger brother disconnect from his oldest brother and be successful or have a functional life, if that makes sense. Very rarely.
It happens.
CALLER 1
Obviously, there's outliers, but it's extremely detrimental.
HOST
Bigger, bigger brothers and end up being that beacon and kind of that lodestar for the rest of their life.
CALLER 1
It's.
HOST
It's a tragedy. It's one of the great tragedies in society that's. That's un. It's silenced.
It's very siloed information. But it's. When younger brothers and older brothers have a fracture in the relationship, the younger brother suffers incredibly.
CALLER 4
All right, sweet.
HOST
If there's no figurehead. And speaking of those kind of dynamics, there's all sorts of interesting with, like, older siblings and younger siblings.
CALLER 1
If you're. If you're the oldest sibling, if you're
HOST
the oldest male sibling in a family, your best female match is always going to be the baby of another family.
CALLER 1
The best relationships. So, like, if you're the oldest brother, you're going to want to find the
HOST
youngest sister of a family. Those relationships work exceptionally well and vice versa.
CALLER 4
Okay.
CALLER 2
Yeah, yeah.
CALLER 4
I've got a pretty interesting paradigm. I've got five or no, I've got four older sisters who are a lot older than me. And I just feel like completely secluded. I just wanted to know if that had any, you know, effect on my perspective, the world.
CALLER 1
You were secluded in what way?
CALLER 4
They're a lot older than me, so I'm. I'm 19, my oldest sister is 36. And it, it just basically feels like a, a whole, I'm not even part of the family almost.
HOST
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So you feel kind of rootless, you're kind of cosmopolitan.
CALLER 1
See that, that can be. Again, you probably formed a complex around that.
HOST
And my point is, is that's
CALLER 1
definitely can be used to your advantage
HOST
significantly because you can fashion your own identity from scratch.
CALLER 1
You don't really have a rubric to follow. Like families typically have rubrics, right? Like there's typically some sort of syllabus
HOST
that's passed down even if it's tacit or implicit. And a lot of siblings just end up following and kind of following these archetypal roles that are not natural to themselves. Like, I have a lot of respect for multi generational businesses. However, when there's an industrious young fellow that comes up and he's the one who decides, you know what?
I'm not going to be a fucking Mason. My family's been a fucking mason for seven years. I'm not going to do masonry. I'm going to go start a business.
That's where you start to get the bifurcation process. And that's where you start creating like super generations of people and children and different lineages. And it's when people break the mold. I'm obviously a rebel by nature, but I do, I have a soft spot for motherfuckers, for renegade types, you know, for cowboys that basically grow up in those situations where they don't have an identity and they have to cast them from scratch.
Because I know how difficult that process is. It's very, very difficult in this society. Decided to be your own man because you know in history, kings and, and, and, and patriots and like that, like they would. You were almost bequeathed your status in your role.
Go look at medieval times. Men were born with a very clear, distinct mission and a very clear, distinct path. The modern world, there's been an erasure of that component. So men do not have a prescripted path laid out for them anymore.
Men have to choose to be their own men in this society. And it's very, very, very, it's, it's grunge work, you know what I mean? It's grunt work. It's, it's not pretty.
It's very ugly under the hood because there's a lot of forces that you're wrestling with, you know what I mean? Like you have critical parents in your head. You have all these psychic voices, teachers, people who criticized you when you were younger. People don't understand how those voices become a mosaic.
They become a tapestry that kind of live in the, in the catacombs of your mind. And people are being instructed and people are taking dictation from these voices that they don't even. That's not your voice. That is not a voice that's in your head that was implanted there from a very early age.
And I think that being able to destroy those voices and find your own is the most honorable work that you can do.
CALLER 4
So how do you go about destroying those voices?
HOST
Dude, selft talk, selft talk. Because look, as men, we've been taught to listen to yourself. Go meditate, go into, go into solidarity, go into solitude, go into a dark room and just listen to the voices in your head. Let them flow like a river, right?
That's how they tell you to meditate. Let the thoughts flow. Don't barricade them, don't interrupt them. I completely have the opposite approach.
I think that men need to steward. Men need to be captains of the ship. Men have to steward their thoughts. And you have to talk.
You have to self talk.
CALLER 1
You have to talk your nerves down.
HOST
You have to talk yourself into doing the things that you don't want to do. That was my whole Tate example earlier. That's what that man has done, which is so extraordinary. He has self talked him into a titan.
Do you understand that? That, I guarantee you, is not listening to the voices in his head. He's bludgeoning the voices in his head to death so that all that's left is self talk. Men have to coach themselves rigorously and vigorously through processes.
And that you have to bombard your brain.
CALLER 1
It's.
HOST
It's a constant bombardment. It's very, very, very energetically and metabolically expensive to do this, but it's worth it. You have to talk. I mean, I am talking through myself through difficult situations all day long.
I don't listen anymore. I don't listen anymore because I don't know where the. Those voices were installed. I understand.
The psyche and the subconscious mind is very, very complex. It's a very complex. It's an ocean, it's oceanic, it's an oasis. There's.
There's very deep icebergs in there, and those things run very deep. People have miles long of trauma and that's been stored in their psyche that they don't even comprehend or understand. And the only way to get around that is to start talking, start talking to yourself all the time so you can Reclaim yourself. It's the only way to do it.
It's really the only way to do it.
CALLER 1
And it's.
HOST
It's considered taboo in the mental health industry because of how arduous it is. Because, you know, you can run into situations where you do have episodes that are not fun and they're not pretty. You know what I mean? And this society is all about sanitization.
The society is all about fucking cupcakes and rainbows and puppies and chocolate. Like, they just want men to be normal. They want men to be average. They want men to not think outside the box.
So they want to put, you know, they want you doped up on medication, essentially, and they want you listening to the voices in your head so that you're a fucking spectator, because that's ultimately what you are. You know what I mean?
CALLER 1
You're basically.
HOST
When you're. When you're listening to the thoughts in your head all day, you're. You're no different than someone who's binge watching soap operas.
CALLER 1
You know what I mean? It's just. It's just an internal compass. Like, you have to be willing to
HOST
cast all that to the wind, man. And it's. It's brutal. It takes years of practice and deconditioning.
And then once you're free from it, you'll.
CALLER 1
You'll know.
HOST
You'll know there will be a day that comes and it'll be the best day of your life where you realize that you do have control again. You do have control. All the intonations and all the. That was.
That was kind of dawned on you by other people, all goes out the window. And now you're a free thinker now. You're the man of yourself, and you could be the man that you want to be. It's the most powerful work that you could possibly undertake.
But it is a 247 job. You cannot stop doing it. It's a cudgel. Like I said earlier, the mind, you have to.
It's. It's torturous at times to wade through this. You know what I mean? And that obviously comes with danger.
Look, as we all know as men, all high reward comes with danger, right?
CALLER 1
It's just how it works.
HOST
Even in the animal kingdom, even in nature. It's scripted into the game of nature, the natural laws. I look at nature all the time for the answers. I'm like, look, this is so obvious.
Even nature itself makes the most nutritious foods on earth the hardest to acquire.
CALLER 1
Right?
HOST
You gotta hunt an elk. You got to take down a buffalo on the steppy to get some fresh meat. That's difficult. There's no coincidence.
The least nutritional foods on the planet are the easiest to acquire. Vegetables, fruit that you could pick off a tree takes zero skill. And those foods are far less nutritional than the. That's difficult to acquire.
So even nature itself understands that the bounties. The bounties that feed and nourish men and turn them into warriors and monsters, it's difficult to acquire. So why would the psyche be any different? Why would the machinations of the psyche be any different?
It's all high risk, high reward. That's how the mind works.
CALLER 4
- I appreciate your time, man. You can move on to the next question. I appreciate you.
CALLER 1
Of course, bro.
HOST
Yo, cara. Carl, you're on, bro. Fire away.
CALLER 1
All right. Dude's got a dead mic. Ian, what do you got? Yo, bro.
CALLER 7
What's good?
CALLER 1
What's up, bro?
CALLER 7
All right, so I got a question. You talk about forming an identity by following your spirit, right? So moving from your spirit and heart and living on your own terms. And you talk about how doing this basically creates freedom within your life.
But I think there's like a. Like a dark underbelly, which I would like you to address is there's a difference between moving from impulse and moving from your spirit. So how do you find that? Where's that fine line where you draw, like, moving from the spirit and, like, just moving from impulse?
CALLER 1
Yeah.
HOST
So impulse is a characteristic that can be defined as a form of a complex. So, look, there are people that have natural inclinations to be impulsive. And that's what exactly what I'm talking about. Some people have an impulsive nature.
I happen to be one of those people. I'm very impulsive. I can be very rash at times, but I've leaned into it very heavy. Because I've understood that if I fire from the hip and I do things off the cuff and I improvise, I've been able to do extraordinary things in my life.
I've been able to come back as the underdog hundreds of times. I've been through hell and back more times than I can even recount. And I've always made it through the other side because, number one, I'm not a quitter. And number two, I've understood that my impulse and my ability to be rash, there's gifts in there.
There's advantages in there. Dude, every psychic force you have that can hold you down has an advantage. It's why you have it. I'm a naturalist.
Like I told you before, I believe that the human body integrates these maladaptations as a way of surviving, as a way of keeping the organism alive. And people are terrified of these forces in themselves. Now they have to be instrumented for obviously positive purposes.
CALLER 1
That's obviously the goal.
HOST
But, but I did a tweet on this
CALLER 1
picture.
HOST
A artist, an artist who's a drug addict. Okay. If that doubles down on his nature as a dead beats scumbag drug, you know, drug addict artist that has the potential of being a Picasso or a Jackson Pollock. That's just a fact.
That's just a fact. He's got more upside than the who decides to dull his blades and decides to ignore these darker forces within himself. Does that make sense? So the, it's all about the upside.
The possibility that you can go higher and climb a higher bridge is better than the guy who's willing to ignore these things within himself. If, if you have the balls to double down on your true nature, which we've seen many historical figures. There's, there's many of them, many of them that have bucked the trend and doubled down. Look at Hunter S.
Thompson. A lot of these guys lives ended in tragedy. Of course they did. But they also left behind works that are still being pamphleted through today are thumbing through these guys works, plunging them for knowledge and wisdom, you know what I mean?
So it's like these left a footprint. They at least put their fingerprints all over the suite, you know what I mean? People still know who the fuck they are. I think that's more honorable than the guy who denies himself.
I, I've never seen someone successfully deny who they are on a long enough scale. I've never seen it happen. I've never seen it happen. It's always going to burst forward.
Nature always bats last, you know. Nature always bats last. Nature always wins is what I want to tell you. Nature always wins.
You cannot hide from your nature if you're a man. It's impossible. It's impossible. And it's a very controversial subject obviously because a lot of pain around it.
You know, I've said before on spaces that I did not think that alcoholics could cure themselves long term. I think if people have, people have certain afflictions that are going to carry them, they're going to carry those burdens the rest of their life. And if they learn to integrate them and channel that energy, they can do incredible things. Incredible things that ordinary people cannot do because they've leaned in to the, to the Nature itself.
Does that make sense?
CALLER 7
Makes a lot of sense.
CALLER 1
Appreciate that, bro. Here from Sterling Venetia.
CALLER 8
Hey, how's it going? Can you hear me? Yeah. So just to preface this question, you talked about how the high school age boy will create like these splintered complexes because of some embarrassment or like lack of nurture that happened.
So my question is like what is that relationship that you have with that, that thing that caused it? Like what, what does that look like day to day?
CALLER 1
So you, so what you do is
HOST
when you have a complex and you're self aware enough to understand that you have a complex, you know what I mean? Like, like let's use a, let's use a very crude example that some people can relate to. Dudes who have a Napoleon complex, dudes who are short, you know, can oftentimes be very sour and have sort of a, sort of a rambunctious attitude towards life. Sort of this, I almost want to say like a self loathing.
A lot of short guys do have that. That's a serious edge on the weapon. That's a serious weapon. If you wield, if a short guy wields that as a weapon, he's going to, he's going to go to infinity, whereas the guy who's afraid to pick up that weapon and strike with it is going to go fucking nowhere.
You know what I mean? So my point is, is that like this was Jung's whole thing was that these splintered autonomous personalities that form in the psyche, you have to let them express themselves. You have to let those complexes express the pain and emotions in some sort of outlet so that you can individuate and everything can agglomerate and everything can come together as a cohesive unit. Because if you deny that any of those psychic forces exist, they're.
The wounds are unrepairable. Like, dude, I'm. The people that fall into the worst death spirals emotionally are the ones who are denying these aspects of themselves.
CALLER 1
They're get.
HOST
They're literally going against the grain so hard. It's like, it's like trying to swim upstream constantly. Yeah, you can make progress, but the minute you stop flailing your arms, you're going to get carried right back to where you were. So it's like that's what my biggest criticism of the self help movement and therapy in general is.
People want to change the very fabric of who they are. They want to change their very carnation itself. And if you do that, you can absolutely make some prolific changes on the outskirts of your personality. For sure, I've seen people make very small modifications here and there, but the minute you stop paddling, you're just going to fall back to who you really were anyway.
CALLER 1
So it's just. You're.
HOST
You're. It's. It's the energy expenditure. Makes absolutely zero sense.
So I guess my point is to circle back is you gotta let these complexes express. That's the healthy way to do it. Because then you have a complete man. Then you have the totality of the human spirit.
CALLER 8
Okay, Makes sense.
CALLER 1
See what we got here.
HOST
Let's talk to Virtus. Vertis. You around?
CALLER 1
Nothing. Let's get Jake. Yo, Jake. What's up, Brute?
HOST
Yo, talk to me.
CALLER 5
What's your best idea for how to change, like, a want into a need? For like, oh, I want to be rich or I want to gain power. How do you change it to a need?
CALLER 1
Can you say that again, bro? You cut out.
CALLER 5
How do you change a want into a need? You know, instead of wanting to be rich is the best way. Instead of like, visualizing to just, like, just. Dude, sabotage.
HOST
Dude, that's a perfect question. Which is. Which is hilarious because it dovetails perfectly into my, you know, original points. Is that if it is a want already, then you already know that's not baked into your story.
You know what I mean? Like, if. If you don't. If you don't need to become rich, you're never going to get rich.
People who want get zero, by the way. People who want things get nothing. That's a. That's some parochial wisdom.
That's some wisdom. That is. That is been moored into the test of time. People who want, people who have base desires, they don't.
Those things never come true. And if they do, they're gonna piss it all away. The. The way you really know who you are is by the things you need to do.
The things you need to do. If you need to get your ass in the gym and become an Olympic weightlifting champion.
CALLER 1
Champion.
HOST
Then that's what you were destined to do. Life is very easy. All you got to do is follow what you need to.
CALLER 1
Like.
HOST
I don't know why I'm compelled to go in this direction right now. It makes no sense. But men fight that really hard. They fight it and they resist it constantly.
They're like, well, this doesn't really make sense. This need seems like it's going to lead me astray. Well, you know what? If you practice entertaining that need over and over and over and over again, you're going to have a Skill.
I don't really give a what it is, by the way. The need is how you know who you really are. Some people have to get rich. Some people have to.
They literally do not have a choice. They have to because the complex, that psychic trauma that I'm telling you about is willing them to do it.
CALLER 1
It's.
HOST
They're possessed. It's beyond them. It's an incantation. It's from a.
It's from a celestial force that is incomprehensible. Those are the winners, by the way. The winners are the ones who lean into those celestial forces. Because your want gets murdered by other people's needs every day of the fucking week and twice on Sunday.
You're never someone's want. Desire is never going to stand up against someone who needs to do it. It's never going to happen. That's why these dudes who grow up in fucking third world piss holes who have to, you know, win gold medals in the Olympics or their families are threatened and shit.
That's why they break the records, because they have to or their family's going to die. You know what I mean? Some American kid born in Nantucket who wants to become a champion. He wants to.
He doesn't need to. So he's never going to do it. Never going to do it. I.
I am wholly vehemently against following just wants. I. I look, as a man, I. I look within myself for the things that I have to do, and then I do those things.
CALLER 5
I totally agree, but it's hard, like when someone's really sheltered their whole life, or you had an easy life, you never really had any difficulty to get these crazy needs. So do you have any advice for something like that? Just.
HOST
Yeah, that's a good point. No, I mean, that's a fair point. But here's the deal, brother. Not everybody's gonna be a trailblazing hotshot CEO, you know what I mean?
CALLER 1
The people.
HOST
And I do want to state this because I think it is worth saying
CALLER 1
the people who did grow up in
HOST
those cozy environments, particularly men, are probably going to fall on the spectrum of some type of mediocrity, maybe the upper limits of it, but probably not going to be a trailblazer, is my point. And by the way, I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think it's a very necessary component to the ecosystem.
Look, there's plenty of shadow men who are running all kinds of tricks behind the scenes and Running operations, all these big influencers online. They have huge brain trust and huge teams. Guys we don't even know about that are geniuses behind the scenes that are pulling levers and shit. Those guys aren't getting any notoriety.
They're not going down in infamy. But they are playing their role to perfection. As a, as a right hand man, does that make sense? As an underling, as an underboss and I think a situation like you're describing, a guy who has a bunch of desires and wants and really can't figure out his needs, probably going to be a right hand type of guy, you know what I mean?
Some kind of advisor, some kind of, some kind of role that's extremely important and instrumental. I don't want to downplay the role because I do think when a man leans like, look, I respect the garbage man who has no desire to get rich and he just wants to be a, the best garbage man. And he's jolly, smiling with his, you know, teeth knocked out every day and he's in a good chipper mood. I respect the, out of that guy
CALLER 1
because that guy accepts who he is. That's, I'm, that's my whole motto is
HOST
I just, I, I want men to fully accept and embrace who they really are. It's the most important work you can do.
CALLER 5
Yeah, I, I, you read, you read me just like a book like I felt like I'd be like the advisor or like the, the high level mediocrity, but I'm still like searching like I want to somehow like destroy myself. So I have a need in that sense.
CALLER 1
Yeah.
HOST
So look, I mean, look, as men, this is kind of a universal, this is kind of a universal solution to problems. Whenever you're plateauing as a man, whenever you've hit a plateau, the solution. I've never seen incremental changes really work. People want to make incremental little patchwork changes.
I do believe that when you plateau as a man in general, this is ubiquitous advice. I believe paring yourself and shattering yourself down into a billion little pieces and starting from scratch is the only way to get out of a plateau. So men are constantly boiling themselves down to nothing and then rebuilding themselves. That's sort of the, that's sort of the, the primordial sort of spirit of man.
That's what men do. We tear ourselves down to zero and we build ourselves back up. It's what the military does. It's a lot of organizations understand this.
CALLER 1
So yes, if you do, if you
HOST
are flat lined and you are Hitting a plateau. You're correct. You do absolutely tear yourself down to nothing and then you rebuild. That is the.
I think that is the correct solution for all men.
CALLER 1
Yeah, I agree.
CALLER 5
And then back to like the having a great home and all the safety back at home is like the hard part because I always have that in my back pocket and I'm trying to like.
HOST
Yeah, dude, that's, that's, that's, that's super, by the way.
CALLER 1
Super. I've, I'm sure you've heard me be
HOST
critical that in the past, men, look, men. My favorite quote is, necessity is the
CALLER 1
mother of all invention. Because it's very true.
HOST
Men really don't take action and don't change until they have to and when. And men are very clever at self deception. Men are incredible at tricking themselves, especially smart men. If, you know, you have those kind of safety nets, you're never really going to go for it.
You know what I mean? Because, you know, you still got the training wheels on. You're never gonna. That's why I'm all about putting your back against the wall, taking out the floor underneath you, because then you have no choice.
You leave yourself no choice but to transform. And it's, it's, it's tough work, bro, because there's a lot of enablers, there's parents and that don't want their kids to suffer. They'll bail you out if your phone bill is not paid or you're late on your car payment. All that shit's nonsense.
If you're really, really trying to be an extraordinary human being, you have to be strong enough not to learn to lean on those people in those times of support. Look, asking for help here and there is fine, obviously. But if, you know you have a constant supply of someone who's going to bail you out when you come across misgivings or misfortune, you're just going to depend on it forever.
CALLER 1
You know what I mean? And then you end up with a. Which.
HOST
Which is ironic. You end up with that Peter Pan complex.
CALLER 1
You end up with that Peter Pan
HOST
syndrome of never wanting to grow up.
CALLER 1
That's why we got a bunch of
HOST
man babies running around.
CALLER 5
Yeah, I totally agree. It's just hard to like, let that go.
CALLER 1
Of course, of course it is. Takes. Takes genetically engineered cantaloupes. For nuts to do that, you gotta have huge stones.
HOST
Huge.
CALLER 1
Thanks, Root.
HOST
Let's take another one.
CALLER 1
Yo, zav.
CALLER 3
Yeah, man. Thanks for bringing me up. I was in here from about the beginning. Phone died a bit in between, so I hope I don't ask anything that's sort of redundant.
But my question following up on what he just said is he mentioned a great point, right. About that so called safety net. What would you say? How would you draw the line between safety net like, you know, having that backup safety net versus an inherent benefit that comes to you as, you know, being that first on position where you know, you know, land, property, etc.
Will be coming to you, but you also are aware that you want to go further than that. So you're already born into it. You know it's there, but you're not really relying on it. You have greater goals.
But to an extent, that's a safety net.
CALLER 1
To, to an extent it is.
HOST
I mean, you look, you're talking to a guy who flies through asteroid belts without armor. You know, I'm just, I'm a, I'm on the very, very, very, very extreme end of no safety. I really have no consideration for safety at all whatsoever because I do have a stochastic. My, my, my mantra in life is very stochastic.
I'm all about chance and probability. And I know from experience, like I've been through several zeros in my life. I've been zeroed out dozens and dozens and dozens of times. I've always been able to build back stronger, better, faster, richer, stronger, smarter, et cetera, et cetera.
So I have that experience to fall back on in myself. I know that if I lo. I know that I will not lose in the long run. You're only a loser when you quit.
That's a fact. You know, I'm going through it right now. I'm in a massive rebuild phase. I'm going to come back bigger, better, stronger, faster, richer from it too.
It's no different. So you're, you know, you're, you're sort of asking a guy who's on the extreme end. I would say though that if you're talking about. So your, your question is you have a safety net which I assume you have money stowed away somewhere, you're pretending to forget about it while you keep building.
CALLER 1
Correct? Yeah.
CALLER 3
And basically for the past like five, four or five years I've been away from, you know, my home, like island, everything. But back there, there's land, there's property, one for me, one for my brother. Like it's a good. Yeah, I'm not gonna be that type of fake.
Oh, I'm from the trenches, guy. Like, I have a really good situation, but I'm from a small island, moved to the UK exposed to more. So I've seen. There's so much more out there, but I'll soon be going back to that.
While going all in on business. No say, no job, nothing. Just going all in. I won't be getting any mommy daddy allowance, but I will have, of course, a place to stay, like, vehicle to drive.
Like, it'll be relatively comfortable.
CALLER 1
Yeah.
CALLER 3
So I'm sort of. You get what I'm saying, right?
HOST
I do. I do. I love that. I love.
I love when men do not pigeonhole themselves and fall into a central identity for long periods of time. I think men need to be sort of Renaissance men and polymaths and. And certainly you as. As men.
I do believe you have to be willing to change to pivot quickly if you have to. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why being a doctor, a lawyer, whatever the that is, like, that never appealed to me because I could never commit to that for 20 or 30 years. I don't know what I'm gonna do tomorrow.
Maybe I have a whole shift. Maybe I go back to school. I have no idea. But putting yourself in a situation where you do have that nest egg and then you can pivot and you can be extremely experimental with these other energies, I think is extremely potent and I think definitely gives you a leg up on the competition, for sure.
CALLER 3
Gotcha. I sort of felt like sometimes I get this sort of thing where I'm like, oh, man, if I go back home, that's like, you know, giving up in a way, but I'm still going to be mashing on business just with a little more. With less worries about rent due and these type of things, you know.
CALLER 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're.
HOST
You're bootstrapping. I mean, dude, that's obviously a, you know, a sane sound philosophy for sure.
CALLER 3
Gotcha, man. Let me. Next question, I guess.
CALLER 1
Cool. Yeah, Go.
HOST
Okay, he's done. Let's try to get Vertis back up here again. Oh, boy. Vertis, what's up, buddy?
CALLER 1
Brother, we can't hear a word.
HOST
All right, Morpheus.
CALLER 6
Yo, bro. This is crazy, man. Talking to you. Holy.
Yo, literally, like, I. To be honest, I've just, like, discovered you, like, a few weeks ago and, like, like, your content is so freaking crazy, man. Like, your videos and everything. Yeah.
I don't know what to say much to say, but you're a cool. You're a cool dude, man.
HOST
Yeah, man.
CALLER 1
Yeah, man.
HOST
I appreciate.
CALLER 6
I like your. Your videos, everything. To be honest, I just joined the space right now. So I don't know what you guys were talking about, but.
HOST
All right, bro.
CALLER 1
I appreciate the accolades, man. I'm gonna keep it moving.
HOST
Thank you.
CALLER 6
All right, thanks, man.
CALLER 1
Hey, what's going on, bro? Yo, what's up? So what is in terms of, you know, how hard you go and how hard you're actually breaking yourself down and redeveloping? What is the.
The go to sign that I gotta rebuild?
HOST
I gotta go back to zero.
CALLER 1
And then when you're doing that, what is too much, you know? Is there even too much? I don't know that there's too much, man.
HOST
The. The. The male hardware is crazy, dude. It's crazy.
I think a lot of guys are, like I said, afraid to go to these places in their head. But, dude, I mean, neuroplasticity is real. The body, the male body can truly, truly be put through some really wild in rebound. It truly can, man.
I've.
CALLER 1
I've.
HOST
I. I know firsthand just how incredible the machinery in the human body is. And I think a lot of men are walking around with the E brake on, terrified. To truly experiment with the hardware we have, bro, is resilient and durable, as, I mean, you can put yourself in all sorts of different contortions as a man and figure it out.
The body's incredible as long as you have that foundation. And I do want to, like, emphasize this, because when you are cutting yourself to scratch, cutting yourself down to ribbons, and you find yourself wanting to restart, you do have to have that foundation of health, obviously, because that's a huge reservoir to tap into. That's why my diet is perfect. Because if I didn't eat the way I did, I genuinely don't think I'd be able to withstand the punches that I've taken in this life.
It would have brought me to my knees years ago. But I do have. My body's extremely fucking healthy. So I'm able to take a lot more burden and brunt than the average person because I'm so strict with it.
So I think that foundation is very important. Otherwise, you know, you start combining bad diet with this kind of philosophy, things can get. Things can go off the rails real quick.
CALLER 1
Yeah, it's a great answer.
HOST
All right, guys, my phone's at 1%. We're gonna bow out, but this was a blast. We're gonna do it again soon.