Metaphysics of Talent

00:00:00HOST

Michael Jordan had a quote, something about how he missed 9,000 shots, lost X amount of games. But the reason why he succeeded is because he persevered, right? I mean, look, he borrowed that from fucking Thomas Edison, who probably borrowed that from another motherfucker. Einstein was cosmically designed to solve whatever problems he solved.

And that was him leaning into his edge and his nature. And everyone asks me all the time, they're like, what's. What's the deal with the nature and the edge leaning? What does that really produce?

Like, what kind of fruits does it be there? And the answer is very simple. It's. It's a mitochondria thing.

Because when you're leaning into your nature and your edge, you're gonna start doing activities that don't drain you. You have this infinite mitochondrial factory where you can literally hurl yourself against a brick wall over and over and over and over and over and keep coming back for more no matter how many times you get mauled. And in that process, there's a lot of luck that gets engineered. And that's basically, literally.

That's basically, literally what the path to success really is. It's just reiterative. It's reiterative and just engineering luck. Because what happens is there's no frailty when you.

When you're leaning into your nature and you're. And you're picking something that you're obsessed with. There's no energy deficit. There's no energy expenditure.

Really. This is why I said in the past, I've previously said, and there's nuance to this, that effort is gay. Effort is gay. Because the thing in life that you're supposed to be doing that God designed you to solve is effortless.

It doesn't really take a lot of motivation. It doesn't take YouTube videos. It doesn't take David Goggins cussing you out to take action. It's just something that's very automatic and there's.

There's little obstacle that can stand in your way. You're gonna wake up and you just sort of have that fury and you're gonna. And you're gonna go at it again over and over and over repeatedly, and you're gonna get spit out a hundred fucking times and you're gonna come out the other side of it. So really what you can say is, you can say that your edge is really just a sort of aegis.

It's sort of like a protection from devastation. When you're tackling a certain problem or trying to crack a certain piece of the human Puzzle you, it's very, it's nearly impossible to devastate you to a level that would get you to not take another attempt. And so Einstein, all these geniuses that you see, you guys think it's because they had the giga brain. Yeah, that's, that's certainly a element of it, but it's more so the fact that their mitochondria was calibrated towards tackling that same problem over and over and over until they solve that piece of the human puzzle.

Now, you know how you complete humanity, you complete humanity by every motherfucker leaning into their nature, because when you do that, you do solve a piece of the jigsaw puzzle, there's a code that you're going to crack along the way and you're gonna, you're gonna basically complement and you're gonna sort of create that those edge pieces of the missing puzzle of wisdom and knowledge in the new sphere. And that's how it works. And so the people who, that you consider geniuses, their contribution to humanity was solving one, one little border piece of that puzzle. And you all have been the benefactors of the small piece of the puzzle that I've cracked on my journey.

Because I'll tell you something, the risk taking the shit that I do, the fucking high flying, tightrope walking, no safety nets underneath, that type of shit is not for everybody. I mean, I borderline will tell you it ain't even for 99.9%. I just know it's for me. So I can relentlessly and ceaselessly kind of persist in this domain.

And I'm. They used to call me at the poker table at one point La caco Rocha, because I just never died. I never died. I was super fucking resilient.

No matter what happened, no matter how many times I got my fucking clocks wrong at the poker table, I'd always come back and get it back. And that's just that resilient nature. There's. There's no other secret than that.

It's that fucking resiliency. And it's the, it's the optometry that I keep telling you about. It's the vision, it's the seeing. Once you've dealt with a certain type of denomination in life, right, if you're a guy who is always slinging six figure deals, seven figure deals, you're always going to find you could literally strip you down.

I mean, you could, you could become naked, you could lose a lot of your quote unquote talent or even heart, or even zeal for Life. But the bottom line is, the reason why some life forms are just so goddamn fucking tenacious is because even when you strip them down to nothing and they don't have the confidence, they're still going to spot the opportunities that they've been accustomed to. Do you understand how powerful that is? They're not going to settle because their standards are elevated to a certain bar and they just simply refuse to accept anything less.

So they're only going to be able to create a new business from scratch that's going to deal in the same type of denominations they were dealing with previously. This is literally the key to life. This is how you hopscotch and quantum leap over all bounds and barriers. It's simply having the vision to capture those small moments of opportunity that come your way that are within the confines of what you're willing to accept and tolerate in life.

Everything is about what you're willing to accept and tolerate, and that's about it. Like whatever your, the, whatever your position is, whatever your station is, it's simply because you've just, you've accepted it. It's comfortable for you. It's okay, it's okay for you to make four grand a month.

That's just your, that's just your tolerance level. It is what it is. But you know, when you, when you breach past these walls and you actually see what's really out there, then you're only going to design your life and you're only going to architect the blueprint to lead you into those alleyways where, where you're, you're, you're sort of striking within those same, same circles, same circles of people, same denomination, same currency, same status, all that shit. Very difficult to walk it back once you hit those levels.

I also. We're gonna zigzag here, as we always do. I don't believe for a second that the, all these 22 year old, 20, 25 year old kids have, have the severity of health issues that they think they do. That's, it's insane.

It's. What I want to tell you is that I believe that America particularly is suffering from like a sort of collective Munchausen syndrome. And if you know what Munchausen syndrome is, it's a syndrome where effectively the parent in a household will basically inculcate a child into believing that they're always sick and they're always ill and they're always unwell. And what it does is it creates this sort of trauma bond of codependency where the child has learned helplessness that they are unable and incapable because they're always sick.

And what it does is it forces them to lean into the arms of the parent. And so the parent becomes the savior. It's sort of like that Cartman triangle. If any of you are familiar with deep psychology, go look up the Carpman drama triangle.

The rescuer, the savior. All those little triangular pieces are at play here. And so what happens is it's a very sick parent who wants the child to be totally unwell so that they constantly have to run to them to save it. But guess who's causing the injury?

The parent. And so my point is, and from, from seeing so many cases of this, if I, if I spilled, if I spilled the DMS that I have of dudes that are like under the age of 25 that have like crippling health defects, it would blow your mind. And I don't believe it. I don't believe it's true.

I do think the manifestation is true and I think the symptoms are true, But I don't think fundamentally there's anything there. I think it's self inflicted because it's way more and exciting to solve a health puzzle than it is to go just your vision or lean into your nature or go, go, go find a wife. You know what I'm saying? So now you just got a bunch of kids at home in Reddit forums cracking health puzzles.

And I have no doubt that society is more sicker than usual. I mean, that's just obvious. That's not a stranger to anybody. But I know who are like intentionally manifesting sickness in their body so that they don't have to, they just have an excuse.

They can just sort of have this linchpin and hinge their entire failure on the fact that they have a health issue, which is fucking insane. And it goes back to my point about how the internalization of pain and trauma if you don't release, does manifest as cancer. It does manifest as depression. It does manifest as these illnesses that you're seeing crop up everywhere.

It's, it's that are literally refusing to externalize the pain into some kind of art form or some kind of creation or some kind of outlet. And you know, that has pernicious consequences. It's really not hard to do the math on this. I know a guy who used to always tell me he's got ear splitting migraine headaches, and after the fifth time of him telling this to me, I had to cut him off.

I'm like, you don't have a headache. I know what you're doing this is this, you're acting. This is some sympathy play. This is like you manifesting victimhood in the form of a migraine headache so that you have an excuse not to go lift, not to go make money, to live a pitiful life.

Because when you externalize things as a man, you go to the gym, you work out. That's a form of externalization. You make, you craft, you create, you make content, you make videos, you do spaces, you're clearing out a lot of the aqueducts in the body. It's, it's a fact.

It's just how, it's literally how the biology works in men. Like I've, I've said this over and over. The nature rewards front running more than anything else. So like you, you can actually have deep illnesses that are real and you can front run the fuck out of them forever, almost endlessly, until you die and you'll be asymptomatic the entire time.

It makes a lot of sense. It's why that, you know, they say a lot of centenarians that have cigarette habits and a lot of people who live to 100 years old, they smoke a pack a day of six. They have very unhealthy habits. And the point of the matter is, is the cigarette is a form of medicine in the sense that it is destructive, but the cigarette itself is actually masking over the true ailment that would basically rear its ugly head if the cigarette smoking wasn't there.

And so health is a lot more complicated than just simply fucking eliminating everything and thinking that you're just going to be some happy chipper fucking salubris, fucking being or celestial being. It's not how it fucking works. It's very complex because there's, there's definitely a psychosocial element to health and vitality that is not really qualitative. And because of that, you know, everyone sort of has that sort of Cartesian version of health where it's like, it's, it's materialistic, it's like as simple as what you're ingesting and what you're expelling.

And that's just simply not the case. Mindset is 100% more powerful than the illness itself. I can tell you that for an absolute fact. I was going to touch on the, the Ryan Garcia.

I'm just, to be quite honest with you, so fucking uninterested. I took one look at it when it was over. Yeah, I got some fucking gems and some fucking inner psychology about it, but it's just, it's Too fucking boring. So when you come up here, do not ask me about Ryan Garcia, because I, I just don't give a.

Yo, Nathaniel, talk to us.

00:13:43CALLER 1

Hey, can you hear me? awesome. Yeah, no, good talk, man. Mindset is so powerful. Such a huge effect on the nervous system and digestion and you know, the way, the way the entire body was, was designed to run curious.

You know what, what is some of your philosophy for life? Where does life emanate from? And you know, your, your perspectives on divinity and that sort of thing.

00:14:22HOST

I mean, it up, man. It all kind of stems from the, from just that edge running man. I mean, look, I, I've been putting things at risk for a very long time. I'm talking from a very early age.

I've always been this way. And I do believe that all wisdom does reveal itself when you put yourself under some kind of threat. Because the spirit in man is extremely protected. Look, the, the durability of the body and the mind is, is the shell.

You can nuke the out of a shell and it will never. There's no flesh eating disease that can really get down to a man's spirit and heart that is a hundred percent tucked in miles, miles deep. It's a iceberg. And what I've learned the most is that you can nuke the out of the shell, you can nuke the out of your physiology, and you can still keep on walking.

Easily, easily. I'll tell you a story. When I was in, when I was in Vegas, I think, I think it was like my 22nd birthday. I was dating a chick at the time.

She was, she was a little bit older than me. I think she was like 25. I was 22. 22nd birthday, I'm in Vegas, I'm at the Bellagio. I was there for like three days, but it was the day of my birthday.

Had 2500 bucks left in cash to my name. Walked up to the book, brazenly walked up to the counter, slapped down all 2500, every dollar in my pocket. Did a six game baseball parlay as tonight. Zero reason or logic behind it.

I was like, let's just take, let's take a shot. Let's see what happens. Six teams. It was early in the morning, they had a matinee game and then the last game on the ticket ended at night.

So we were chilling in the hotel and I was just kind of had an eye on the games and I had. When I tell you that I had no fallback, I'm dead serious. Like we didn't have Flights booked home. She had a debit card, I believe, to get us back home.

But we were going to basically sit there and sweat out the games and just have fun. And around throughout the day, me and her get into a massive argument right around like noon time. And I was wearing athletic apparel in the casino, so I didn't have pockets. And so when I got that slip, I think the, the bet paid like 91, 000 or something.

When I got that slip, I gave it to her so she could put it in her purse. So she was holding on to it and me and her got into a gigantic argument. I forget what it was about, but the bottom line is she tried to big time me and she was like, I'm going to keep the ticket. She's like, this is my ticket now.

Now, if you have half a brain, you know how casinos work. They have security footage of me walking up there and placing the bet, right? So even if that ticket hit, the chances she could walk up and cash that ticket for 91,000 are literally 0%. It would actually be considered theft.

So she's got the ticket. I'm chilling. I'm big chilling. She's, she's making a big fuss.

She thinks that she just overpowered me and got me in a, in a, in a crimped position and I'm just kicking back in the sportsbook and she's got the ticket and she's like, you know what? She's like, I'm going to go to security and I'm going to tell them ahead of time that you gave me the ticket and it's mine now, and I'm going to sign the back and it's my ticket. Biggest test you've ever seen in your life. She's trying to see if I'm gonna panic and flip out and beg for the ticket back.

I said, go for it. I said, call security over right now. So she calls security over and they come over and I was, I was a very known player at the Bellagio at this time. I had gambled millions of dollars even before, like right When I was 21, I was in there firing huge shots, so everybody knew who I was.

And so she's like, he's telling me that the ticket's his, but he gave it to me, blah, blah, blah. She gets into a big fucking verbal spat with the security and they end up because they told her straight up the ticket's not yours. I mean, you can hoot and holler all you want, but the ticket's his. And so seeing her little bluff flop live.

She was so embarrassed that she kept escalating the situation to the point where they kicked her out of the casino and actually banned her for life. And said, if you ever come back to an MGM property, we'll arrest you for trespassing. So she gets booted. She's got the ticket.

I now have $0 to my name. I'm strapped in the fucking chair at Bellagio. I don't even have money to buy a fucking beer. Nothing.

I got nowhere to go tonight. I don't have a flight back. She was my way home. And I was like, all right, let's.

Let's fire up the Jets. This is definitely going to be a wild ride, wild experience. But I'm telling you this because I didn't. I didn't flinch.

I didn't have any fear. I was like, if this ticket loses. And the absurdity of this ticket was insane. I'm holding a $2,500 ticket that pays 91 grand.

And it all comes down to that. It comes down to, like, four more baseball games that all have to hit, or I'm gonna have to fucking go into war mode and fucking go to a bar, meet someone, figure out how I'm gonna get a room tonight. And I was prepared to do that. So I just kind of ease into it.

I'm watching the games. Boom. Next one hits. Boom.

Next one hits. And I know she's sweating these games. I don't know even know where the fuck she was. We stopped talking.

She left the casino. I'm pretty sure she went to McCarran Airport and was already her way home. She was going to leave me stranded there to try to teach me a lesson. And I was.

I was totally game for it. So, sure enough, down to the last game, and I. I'm. I'm actually kind of nauseated to my stomach.

I almost can't even watch it because I'm down. I remember it was the Royals was the last game, and I was down a run going into the top of the ninth. And then the catcher, Salvatore Perez, steps up and hits a frozen rope over the left field center fence and puts me ahead by one in the top of the ninth. And so all I gotta do is go three and out, bottom of the ninth, and that's a winning ticket.

And that's exactly what happened on my 22nd birthday. I won that 91 GS, literally with nowhere to go and no fallback plan. And there's a metaphysical thing here where I truly believe and I'm. I'M not a superstitious, but I will tell you this.

The fact that I had someone rooting against me to lose so hard is the reason why I believe it won. Like I needed that. I needed her. I needed somebody to just be praying for my demise, for all of those to click into place.

And I know she was probably devastated and shell shocked when that hit. And let me tell you something, when I cashed that 91 GS that night, I went crazy. I got the best, most expensive steak I've ever had in my life. I was tipping, I got the best room, I had my boy book it.

It was insane. And I just went crazy on, on celebrating and that being in those types of positions. Because look, this, all this that people will tell you about. Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose.

Well, let me tell you something, that's not gambling. That's, that is not. If you are gambling in a realm where you are within, playing within your means, you ain't gambling, my friend. I had everything on the line at 22.

And the point of what I'm trying to tell you, to answer your question about where my philosophy comes from, it's from putting yourself in situations like that where you have so much impenetrable self motherfucking belief that it doesn't matter what happens, it didn't matter if I lost the bet. I'm still gonna fucking find a place to stay, I'm still gonna get fed, I'm still gonna figure it the fuck out. Because I got endless energy, endless divine levels of energy that never escape me. Doesn't matter what I'm going through, I'm always ready.

I'm ready for anything that's thrown at me. And that's the, that's the winning formula. That is the winning mentality on every level is putting yourself in a pinch, putting yourself in a spot where the asymmetry is outrageous. Right there was, I was in an unlosable situation.

I wasn't worried about it. If I lost the bet, I would have figured it out, no problem.

00:23:59CALLER 1

Lesson in there, what's the biggest risk you've ever taken in your life? And then how did that pay off for you in the short and the in the long term?

00:24:11HOST

Talking about size wise on one bet,

00:24:17CALLER 1

sure, whatever, whatever you feel could be, you know, your life on the line, your financial stability on the line.

00:24:26HOST

I mean, bro, I've always, always, I've always gambled with my life on the line. That's what I'm trying to say. Like I, when I'VE always gambled way above my means. Any risk that I've taken has been with such conviction and passion that it's always been dire, dire for me to win.

Like I've always been in a situation where I, I have no choice. I have to win because I'm so over leveraged. I'm so like I'm, I'm a hundred, I'm 250 of my net worth into. I don't do things half ass, I don't do things tepidly, I don't do things half heartedly.

If I'm gonna do something, I'm literally in. Not only am I in financially way over the top. I'm in with my being, I'm in with my spirit, I'm in with my soul. That's why you can't bet against a like me because I'll always figure it out.

Give me enough time and I'll always, I'll come back from anything. That's a guarantee. It's just I've proven it to myself for 20 years, you know what I'm saying? And so because I've been in those spots so many times where everything's riding on this, this one thing is so important.

It has to hit many times. It doesn't hit. And you're still standing there kind of breathless and you're just like. But it's, it's all right because I got me, I got me.

And I bet, I bet on myself every day of the week to come back from anything. And that's it. Like it's, this is this mentality. Like I'm trying to tell you, man, I'm not, this is not a prescription.

I'm not telling any to do this. I'm telling you. The way I've handled things my entire life has been with this strategy. If I go into something, I am biting off far more than is possible to chew.

And I'm gonna figure it out along the way. I'm gonna navigate the labyrinth and it does builds a tremendous amount of strength and it does build an indomitable confidence because it always works out. I'm always gonna hit the big score. It's impossible not to because I put myself in a position every day of my life to get lucky.

Every day of the week I'm in a position to get lucky. So it's, it's a survival game. That's basically what life is. Figure out a way to survive, put up monster shots left, right, center, all over the place.

Paint the town, be a machine gun artist, something's gonna stick for you.

00:26:52CALLER 1

I guess it was Wayne Gretzky who said it. You know, you miss 100 of the shots you don't take and, you know, putting something out there, putting. Then, you know, it just, it. It increases your odds and your probabilities of, of coming into some form of success.

00:27:13HOST

I mean, shooter, shoot, brother, let me tell you something. The reason why, when you lean into your nature and you're doing things you're obsessed with, like, obviously, I love gambling. I love betting. Anything in that, in that domain, crypto, all that, a guy like me, there's no clock to punch out of.

I'm on the clock 24 hours a day. In my sleep, I'm solving problems. When I'm relaxed on the couch and my girl is talking to me and she's asking me, are you relaxing? I tell her, no, I'm never relaxing.

When I'm sitting on the couch, laying down, whatever, whenever the I'm doing, pacing, smoking. My brain is always solving problems 24 hours a day. It never fucking stops. I don't want to relax.

Everyone's like, bro, you're. You're so intense. You're high strung. You don't want to relax.

I'm like, brother, I'll relax maybe when I'm 70. I don't even think I'm in my physical prime yet, by the way. I really don't even think I've hit my prime. I'm like, I'm 37 in July.

The energy that, the energy wheels that I have are insane. I mean, I just, I don't, I don't really get tired. I don't really get fatigued anymore. If I am, if I am ill with some sort of ailment or something severe, I wouldn't even know it because I'm front running nature.

I guarantee you, if I did go get my heart checked, I bet you my aorta has some fucking issues from the fucking life I've lived. I've lived that intense, maximum intensity life for the entire time. But, brother, me going to a doctor and getting that diagnosis ain't going to fucking change a goddamn thing. You know what I'm saying?

I'll outlive it. I'll outlive the. The ailment, guaranteed.

00:28:57CALLER 1

What do you think?

00:28:58HOST

I probably.

00:28:58CALLER 1

What do you think causes someone to seek or, or want that title or diagnosis from their doctor?

00:29:10HOST

It's affirmation, man. It's affirmation.

00:29:13CALLER 1

And why would someone seek that, that type, that kind of affirmation from a doctor?

00:29:21HOST

Because a lot of People have genuinely never experienced what it's like to be passionate about anything. And so when you give them a problem that seems like it's, it's slightly not overcomeable, they. They feel alive. They feel alive.

They. People want to be diagnosed. People want you to tell them all the reasons why they're sick and up and incapable because then it justifies their entire existence justifies an out. It's like, I knew it.

That's the reason why I haven't been motivated. You know the guy, the guy that, the guy. Hold on, hold on. The guy that I was telling you about the other day that was telling me about how every time he accepts a huge opportunity in his life, he gets sick.

I'm not even joking. He's like, dude, every time I make something happen or I'm on the cusp of a breakthrough, he's like, I'll literally get like a nasty flu or a nasty cold. That's when I knew it was total. But my point to him was because he was trying to tell me, he's like, yeah, but I don't have any energy.

He's like, I don't have the vitality to go after these things in life. He's like, I literally wake up and I'm just super lethargic and catatonic. I don't have the energy. And I told him he's got it asked backwards.

You have to do things in order to generate energy. That's the secret to life. It's like everyone thinks they have to have these endless wells of energy to take action. It's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

I go to the gym, I don't want to be there. I have no energy sometimes. And I force myself into the gym, take an empty bar out of the rack, around with it, warm up, get, get some mobility, get some blood flowing. Guess what?

After 20 minutes, I'm now throwing weight on the bar. Then it's like, bang. Hit a 200 pound snatch. Wasn't that tough?

Boom. 250. That was easy. Two hundred and eighty. Done smoked it. 290 on the bar now.

Nailed it. 300. Boom. Stood up with it again. How did that happen?

I walked in the gym and I would have told you I would have had one of the worst lifting days of my life based on how I felt. You know what I mean? And this goes back to the sort of metaphysics and the technology of talent that I'm explaining to you is it ain't talent. 95% of the success is just showing up like, you show up, you're there, I'm already in the gym. Now I'm gonna start forcing myself to attack the weight.

But I had no energy when I walked in. And so what's the difference there? It's the mindset. That was all, that was all manufactured in my head why I was able to lift 300 pounds when earlier that day I would have told you that 200 would have felt like it crushed me.

And I've had this experience over and over again. So that's what I told him. I was like, bro, you have to start showing up and start seizing opportunities. And that will give you the energy.

There's a reason why people who do more have more energy.

00:32:21CALLER 1

That's like, like a continuous, like building of the frequency and, and momentum. So going back to the, the desire for someone to seek some sort of title or a diagnosis, do you feel like, as though it's a bit of a battle against yourself and rather than going and battling for yourself?

00:32:48HOST

No. So that's, that's where. That's the true power, the fundamentals of, of leaning into your nature is that there's no self resistance. You don't have to tell yourself no on anything because your whole body's going to calibrate to hit the home run.

Because you're doing, you're doing something that you're, that you literally cannot not do. It goes back to that Carl Jung quote that is my favorite, where he said, fate is doing willingly that which you must do best. Quote of all time. Fate is doing willingly that which you must do.

If you're paying attention, it's codified. There's a, there's a blend of free will in that. And so really a lot of what this boils down to is actually staying the, out of your own way. You know, telling yourself no is the weakest structure in the world.

It's never going to happen. That's why I don't like when people tell me the promises that they make to themselves. Like, if anyone in my inner circle, anyone that I deal with, when someone tells me, when someone gives me an if and or clause or like one of those Boolean clauses where they're like, hey, once this happens, I'm never gonna do this again. I know they're destined to fail.

It's over. You're. You're all you already yourself. All those grand proclamations that people make, they don't work.

They don't work. It's very similar to, like when you try to quit smoking, you're never gonna quit it's never gonna happen like you. It just has to happen naturally. There's just like a day you might wake up and you're like, I don't want to do this anymore.

And it's easy. But if you have to grind the gears against yourself constantly to not engage in things, you're living life completely incorrectly. Because what you're doing is. You're just raping your energy sources.

That's what you're doing. It's totally, totally anti gravity, you know what I'm saying? Like, that sort of self defiance will lead to, like a self betrayal. Your body's just going to betray you.

And there's people that employ these strategies all day. They. They literally have to talk themselves out of doing things all day long. It's just they have to constantly resist, resist, resist, resist temptation.

And what do you think the end result of that is? There's gonna be a blind spot one day where you just ain't strong enough to resist the temptation. And then you know what you're gonna do? You're gonna go on the biggest bender of your life, and you're gonna end up where you would have been if you just did it.

If you just started it two years ago. You're gonna end up right where you belong in the first place. All you did is delay the inevitable. Temptation is powerful, man.

Temptation is very powerful in the sense that there are certain temptations that will guide you. Towards what, toward what your nature is. And if you. If you constantly find yourself in a position in life where you're resisting temptation at all fronts, you just ain't living right.

You ain't living in harmony with your nature. And the consequences are more dire to deny your nature than they are by leaning into it. They're both dangerous. Every.

Every lifestyle you choose is dangerous. I'm here to tell you that. It's just. Which one has more upward mobility?

Your nature. Simple. I'm going to move on. Appreciate.

Yo, homer. Helios. Helios, you're up.

00:36:47CALLER 2

Hey, man, can you hear me? What's up, brother?

00:36:50HOST

What's up, brother?

00:36:51CALLER 2

Yeah, man. So I heard something on a podcast recently, and I feel like it fits in well here. It was this. This guy said, I would rather learn the lesson without the scar.

And naturally, your philosophy came to mind. And I feel like that statement is just very representative of the type of youth that you're describing. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on that quote.

00:37:16HOST

He said he'd rather learn the lesson

00:37:18CALLER 2

without the scar, like just kind of, which doesn't really make sense. I don't even know if that's possible. Right. Because scars create lessons.

So I wanted to see. What do you think of that philosophy?

00:37:37HOST

Yeah, I mean, look, the. The whole thing about people are more likely to learn from their mistakes is a total lie. The. The more.

The more you make a mistake, the more likely you are to repeat it. And the true winners in life know that you can up drastically and still win in many domains if you. If you're relentless, you know what I'm saying? Because mistakes are a lot of leverage.

Mistakes. Mistakes do hold a ton of power and leverage, especially if you want to be triumphant and avenge a loss or whatever. And so, like, this is the beauty of being a man, brother. Like, this is.

You want to talk about masculinity and manhood, here it is for you. You can. Everything for a man is so paradoxical. You could literally have every part of your body as a man mutilated and ugly as head to toe, and still be handsome as a man.

You can up billions of times in your own business and still exit huge into payoff space. These things exist. These things are real for men. It's the reconciliation of opposites.

And the sooner that you understand that, I mean, look, there's. Who literally mistake their way into riches.

00:39:00CALLER 2

Yeah.

00:39:01HOST

Literally their way up all the way into the bag. That's a head scratcher. But if you sit there and think about it, it's true. I remember seeing a quote, I think Martin Shkreli said it about the.

Whoever the. The original creator of Twitter was before Musk. He said, that guy drove a clown car into a gold mine. And I love that quote.

He drove a clown car into a gold mine. And what it means is the. Was just throwing up shots. He's just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.

Bang. Landed on Twitter.

00:39:47CALLER 2

Yeah. Just straight shooting from the hip.

00:39:51HOST

100, man.

00:39:52CALLER 2

All right, brother.

00:39:53CALLER 1

That's the.

00:39:54HOST

That's the. That's. That's the masculine thing, dude. Like, the whole masculine imperative really does boil down to that.

It boils down to shooting from the hip and then wherever the shots land. I also think attachment to outcome is extremely powerful for men. I don't really believe. I think that if you attach to the result, I think the results are usually a lot better because.

Because it has to hurt. Has to definitely. Like, I'm very. Anything that I get involved with, I'm very attached.

And if it doesn't work out, it does sting. It does thing. And that's been a superpower that I've been able to leverage time. Time and time and time.

00:40:36CALLER 2

Yeah. And that would be that scar that he's referencing. And that's kind of what you're leveraging to lean into your edge rather than, like, wanting to skip that process entirely.

00:40:47HOST

I mean, it goes back to what I was just saying about the body is just the shell. I mean, the body, the male body, should be riddled with scars and should be mangled as you climb up the mountain. It has to be for the spirit to. For the spirit to really shine through and start to take over and guide you.

Like you. There has to be a depth gauge or some sort of level in the body where your body is torn to pieces and you just can't think clearly anymore. And your body's, like, half functioning, and now your spirit just takes over and wills you to the fucking finish line. It's just that most people will never be able to tap into the reservoir and the power of that because they're too afraid to let their body deteriorate to win.

You know what I'm saying? And, like, I'm talking advanced stages of evolution. As a man, any advanced stage of evolution you want to talk about an artist, they are literally cannibalizing their body, cannibalizing their mind. Things are deteriorating in order for their spirit to guide them.

Because it really doesn't kick in when you have too. When you have too much of that overlay. This is why I was saying, if you've noticed these guys who are obsessed with health and vitality, they don't do anything. They have no motivation.

The motivation's been cropped. It's. It's been truncated. So it's like, you gotta pick one.

Do you want to win, or do you want to be a toy soldier and have a perfectly immaculate, beautiful body that has no blemishes on it? Pick one, because you can't have both.

00:42:14CALLER 2

Yeah, that's definitely real, man.

00:42:16HOST

Thank you, brother. And look, health. I do want to reiterate this. Health and vitality are extremely important.

You know, I put a lot of stock in health myself. I eat extremely well. I always have. I take really good care of the vehicle simply because I need more rope to chew through when I'm taking.

When I'm taking risks and I'm stressed out. But that's all I see it as. I see my body as a vessel to be sacrificed for a greater cause. Beautiful.

You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, I don't give a if both my knees are blown out and I'm in a wheelchair. If I got four gold medals on the wall, that's my mentality.

00:42:57CALLER 2

True, man.

00:42:58HOST

Appreciate. Appreciate you. And viral.

00:43:08CALLER 3

Yo, yo, what's going on, man? My question was, I think you mentioned this like previously in one of the spaces, but you said be careful what you fear because it's more likely to become true pretty much like you're manifesting it. So I was wanting for you to kind of go off of that because in my head that makes me think about like, then you should be more afraid of success if that's more likely to, you know, actualize. But I wanted to hear your thoughts on that.

00:43:37HOST

So the biggest fear that every man has, whether they want to admit it or not, it comes down to one thing. Every man lives in perpetual fear of the terror of not knowing how they would deal with, with life if they lost everything that they have. And that is an absolute fact. And if you want to talk about insecurity, you want to talk about deep seated insecurity, it does.

That's the lightning rod. Everything stems from that fear. Most men go through their entire life without truly knowing if they would survive, if they would be okay. How devastated would they be?

What would happen if the material success they built up left them. They have no idea. And that insecurity permeates out and up all of their relationships, makes them march to women. They get stampeded upon by who do have the knowledge of knowing that if they lost everything, they'd still be all right.

Every man secretly wants to know this, by the way. That's why I said we manifest our fears, because every man deep down really wants to know at the end of the day, because we all know this is where the sublime confidence comes from. We all want to know if there was a fucking black swan event or an extinction level event that wiped you out, would you, could you withstand it? Every man wants to know if that's true in their own heart.

And if you're an individual who has experienced enough of life to know that's true and you've confirmed it and authenticated that is true, that you are someone who would be resilient in the face of a major crisis. The. The confidence that emanates from that is literally you. You can't buy it.

It is the most powerful thing in the entire universe, bar none, is just knowing that. And so, you know, it goes without saying that these that are hoarders, I've even been thinking in terms of like frugality, people that are cheap, people that are St. Frugal people that are afraid to, to lose money or do this like sort of vicious militant accounting all the time and are hoarding what it is. It's not about the money.

It's. They have a sense that they're low energy. It's a low energy thing within the organism itself. And so they're, the conservation of money is a symbol of conserving your own energy because they, they live under the guise that if they lost money or somehow, or put in a bad position or a pinch, they, they don't believe they have the energy to get themselves out.

And that's why I said high, high energy can't ever lose. Because if you're high energy and you blow a bunch of money or you blow anything, you can just generate enough energy to get it back. It's just energy flow. Like you don't really have to worry about loss or anything like that.

Like you can play life freely and, and really be open to extreme experiences because you have the energy that's going to pull, pull the tide when things do go south. And so you can see all these things now. It's like I look at Frugal and I'm like, oh, I get it, I get it now. It's not about the money.

You're more afraid that if you lose the money, you're a low energy species and you're, you're terrified of the cost energetically to go get it back is. But people who live on fire and have fire in the belly, the more obsessive, you know, ADHD personality types, they don't worry about that type of shit because you can't lose. You can put big things at risk, you can take shots and if you lose, you're gonna generate it out of thin fucking air. Everything boils down to energy in the, in the organ, you know.

00:47:18CALLER 3

That kind of makes me think about, though most people kind of when they reach a certain level want to stay at equilibrium. But I feel like that's a fallacy because it takes more energy to kind of stay at the same level than kind of, you know, accept the, the oscillations. Right,

00:47:36HOST

exactly. But we know from, from just looking at the animal kingdom and humans in general, that oscillation of resources, oscillation of money, things like this actually create the healthiest organism because it's, it's, that's nature. It's natural. Right?

It's, it's natural for man to wake up in the morning and not know how he's going to earn his bread today. It's natural For a man to wake up and have a huge problem that's looming over his head that he doesn't know how to solve yet. That's been the, that's been the thorn in mankind side since the, since the beginning of mankind. Men always woke up with these questions unanswered.

But they had the energy, they had the mitochondria to overcome it. And so that's why I said the risk taker, the gambler, the daredevils, these are the guys that are actually living a more primal life because of the fluctuations, because of the swings, because of the oscillation. It does create a harmony within the body. Than the guy who just has all of his money at Charles Schwab earning his little interest.

He doesn't hunt for his money anymore. He's retired. That guy's gonna die and deteriorate faster than anybody else because it's against nature to do that.

00:48:59CALLER 3

I appreciate you.

00:49:02HOST

And look, here's the, here's the, here's sort of the final act of that. Because the natural conclusion with that statement that I just made is people would go, well, what about when you get older and your energy reserves are not there anymore? And my answer to that is very seamless. My answer to that is, as a man, as you get older, you should have your army carry you.

You should have an army at that point. You should have your disciples, your, your right hand men, your underlings, they will do most of the heavy lifting to keep the business, to keep the brand, to keep the logo thriving and throbbing. And so as you get older, you know what I'm saying, it's the job of the young guys to put you on the litter and parade you through the town. That's the, that is the natural order of mankind.

When you're young and you're a gunsling and cowboy, you provide for yourself, you provide resources, you hunt resources, you hunt women, all that. And then you get some infrastructure. As you get older and as things are deteriorating and systems are breaking down, your forebearers, the people who you've trained, the people you've mentored, those are the ones who carry you till the end. And that's a beautiful way to live.

Thank you, my friend.

00:50:12CALLER 3

Thanks, appreciate it.