Sundries & lateral achievement
HOST
Bang, bang. And we're back. We're gonna treat this as a sequel for those of you that were a part of the first one. Got a special co host today, Nate Lawrence.
And in the spirit of the same format that I found to be very functional last time, this is going to be kind of like a conversational sonata, and we're going to be banding back and forth. And your role in this show is to be just a fly on the wall. So enjoy the conversation. What's up, Nate?
CALLER 1
Yo, what's good? Memorial Day special.
HOST
Memorial Day special. Everyone's at home.
CALLER 1
Yeah,
HOST
let's.
CALLER 1
Bro. You know, I was thinking, what are you working on? Be interesting to start. Sorry.
What do you think women play a role in the mission for? And, like. Like, what is the mission for women?
HOST
I mean, look, this is controversial as. But the, like, the functional answer to that question, in my eyes is very clear. The only way that you actually get a blossoming relationship that lasts a long time is you gotta stay in lockstep with the. With the current inversion.
So, like, it's a traditional relationship that falls apart operationally. Looks like this. It's a guy walking on eggshows and tiptoeing around a woman's drama, but it really should be the opposite. In other words, a man whose mission is, like, ablaze is.
And you're out there carving up territory and tearing up terrain to get things done, you're gonna make a lot of ups and a lot of mistakes. And I think the biggest mistake that make is they make the woman the project. Every man's trying to sculpt a woman and mold a woman and make her the project, and that is completely ass backwards. If a woman doesn't view you as the project, it's pretty much game over.
And what I mean by that is, is like, I. I do believe the feminine. The primary function of the feminine, and I've just witnessed this with my own two eyes, is, is to actually clean up a man's mess. And I don't mean that literally.
I mean that metaphorically as well. In other words, the man is the one making mistakes, and the woman is the one coming in and rescuing and bailing out and with, like, emotional support. Those are actually the strongest relationships. And it's extreme and it's extremely counterintuitive.
But that's what the feminine really does. I mean, you want to, like, boil it down to its roots that come back from war and have scars and who nurses them back to health? Their woman.
CALLER 1
Totally, bro. Yeah.
HOST
And so. And I think I think a lot of guys are making the female the project, and they're trying to turn her, you know, they're putting sequins on it and they're trying to spin her up and whip her up into this doll. And that's just not foundationally correct.
CALLER 1
Yeah, well, it's interesting because, like, I. I totally see what you mean. And it's funny, like, I almost see men as the chaos of the kind of action. I think we might have talked about this.
The female is the structure and conscious, like, thought. It's really like a woman has a. Has a vision for something, and I think a man is the one that gets that done. But to me, it's.
It's interesting thinking of, like, what kind of practical advice that means for a woman, since I tend to think a lot of it goes back to mate selection and finding a man that you trust to kind of build your life with. I think probably a lot of it has to do with eventually just becoming a mother. But. Yeah, I'm curious what you think about that.
HOST
Yeah, of course. I mean, that's definitely the end stage for sure. But in the interim, when you're building and you're just starting out, I mean, look, there's a reason why women are deeply attracted to men who have a lot of pathologies in their head. Like, there's a.
There's a very good, solid reason for that. And I. I have a hunch that I've kind of chased around. This is kind of a dragon that I've hunted.
And I've come to the conclusion, and it's really inescapable, that women cannot differentiate impulsive behavior in men as anything other than, like, high testosterone behavior. It's like a form of mimicry. This is why junkies, men that are workaholics, men that are like really, really type A, but also have very dysfunctional personal lives, they clean up with women because they become the project completely. You know what I'm saying?
They become the project and women want to. Essentially, it's the Humpty Dumpty fable. Women want to. Want to piece those.
Those elements back together. And that is the primary fun, like, feminine role. No, nobody talks about this, but it's just, it's. It's.
If you look at nature, it's a fact.
CALLER 1
Yeah, that's funny, because do it the opposite.
HOST
It's the woman up and making mistakes left and right, and you got Captain Save a Ho in and trying to clean up the components. And I mean, we know those, all those relationships end up in Dante's ninth circle of hell.
CALLER 1
Yeah, it, bro, I think you were talking about this one of your earlier spaces because I always saw your header and I didn't really know why you chose that. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that kind of the idea that you have for the header of just the patching up from a woman?
HOST
Bro, that header that I have right now, like that from Terminator 2, I think is the most baller, iconoclastic, modern, postmodern symbol of the polarity of the masculine and the feminine. There's not. You'll never find an image crystallized in time that rivals, like, what that image means. It's a motherfucker on a mission who's riddled with bullets.
And yeah, there's a little bit of irony in there because that chick is extremely masculine in the movie. But the point still remains. I mean, she's literally doing bullet extractions out of his back. It's funny, man.
I had a post about this and it's very true. Any of you that have been in long term relationships with women, you'll notice that they love to kind of groom you. Like if you have blackhead pimples on your back or your neck, and they love to go in there and do little surgeries on them and pluck them and pick them open. And I, I once remarked, I was like, that's the instinct.
That's literally the classic female instinct of pulling shrapnel out of your back in times of war. It's just the innocuous version of that.
CALLER 1
Yeah, bro, you know what was funny to me is your tweet about the, the microplastics. I thought that was crazy because it, to me, that kind of goes in tangent because we were talking about like the endocrine disruptors and the EMF and microplastics and polyester and stuff like that. I think that kind of caught a lot of people's attention with your kind of thoughts on that. So I was interested to hear more.
I know we kind of talked about it a bit about what you think of the microplastics. Because to me, if people, I mean, most people might have seen. But there's just a study that came out, it was, I think 100% of men had microplastics, like in their, their testicles or something like that. And.
But you look at the study, it was 23. That's the sample size, three people. And it's just so silly to me because really, like, once you understand the, the bioenergetic view, I think you, you kind of get to this state where anything that's a stressor, particularly the microplastics, like with adequate metabolism, high thyroid function, you're able to properly excrete the microplastics. And really the only concern that I think a person should have with them is just avoiding like the basic exposure, but really just getting all hyper fixated about it is crazy.
And I know you kind of agree with that too, but.
HOST
Yeah, 100 I agree with that. I think it's crazy to believe that your DNA doesn't have the foresight to deal with plastic. In that tweet, I did say that. Imagine thinking that plastic can interfere with your destiny.
Yes, I do believe, I do believe that's a home run point. And look, I mean I'm someone, I bet you, I bet the farm that I could build an IKEA full size chair out of the plastic that I probably have in my body. I bet you could build a full size chair with the microplastics I got because I've been wearing those athletic tights for 15 years. Lifting at the highest levels.
I've done all this. I don't give a about that stuff. And let me tell you something, I have produced, I have created, co created two extremely beautiful, healthy children. So get the out of here with any of that rhetoric.
CALLER 1
Yeah.
HOST
And look, I mean, look, the bottom line is this, and I've said this before, and it's worth, it's worth kind of punching it home again. I do believe fundamentally that a man who is set ablaze on the mission, I do think you become a front runner and you kind of end up front running a lot of illnesses. It's a theory that I've been working with. I've seen it in many, many, many, many cases.
There's a lot of latent illnesses that are asymptomatic that will basically benign because you are so maniacally obsessed with accomplishing whatever you've set out to do. And I think that can absolutely be a form of palliative care and kind of suppress symptoms. And I think, I think that's a better way of working. And look, I know this is true because whenever I've been in a drought or I've been low on bullets or I couldn't fire or take shots the way I wanted to take shots in the market, I can actually sense the deterioration in my body.
Yeah, I can see the sickness seeping in. And you know, it's, it's like I said, like during COVID I'm Pretty sure I caught whatever the. I mean, I don't believe Covid was. I don't take covert at face value, but whatever the was going around.
I had something similar because I lost my taste for like three months and I chain smoked and Max lifted every day through it and I was fine. I was completely fine.
CALLER 1
I think what you're talking about, about the kind of front running goes the opposite way too, bro. Like I think somebody could really max out their health and nutrition and whatnot, but if they're not in the right environment, they will have no improvement from the kind of physical implementations that they're having. And I think it's almost like a, a thing where it's like you need the energy to move forward, but you also gain energy from moving forward. So it's kind of, to me, an interesting thing to work with because I think a lot of the whole focus on metabolism is kind of this idea that once you have the physical state taken care of then, or almost, I think this is a huge misconception that people have, is like once you take care of the physical state, that's it, you're done.
But really it's completely intertwined with the environment, your mission, what you're working on. And yeah, I think Pete Ray Pete recognized that. But it gets missed a lot because really like the brain is the master regulator of metabolism.
HOST
That's what, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. If you want to go subterranean for a minute and look at, look at what species of man right now is the hardest to kill. And I'll tell you right now, it's addicts, it's alcoholics, drug users, some of them go overboard in od, of course, but as a general unit, the hardest to kill, these pickled, alcoholic, leathery, they don't die and they're on almost like a suicide mission.
These are drinking 300% the daily allotted recommendation of alcohol. And they live forever. They're mummified, they're pickled. It's unbelievable.
And why do you think that is? It's because of the pathology and because of the obsession front running the illness. I've seen these guys, there's these old time alcoholics, some of these live till like 90, 89, like they're way above average. And what is the, what is the common denominator?
They have a mission. Whether it's destructive. Whether it's destructive or not is not the point. The point is they're, they're wholeheartedly obsessed on one thing and Achieving that.
And so that's going to carry you, you know what I'm saying? You can surf those tailwinds pretty much into oblivion. I mean, look at all these motherfuckers. Hunter Thompson.
I have a feeling that motherfucker would have been a centenarian if he didn't off himself.
CALLER 1
It's funny because I had a post actually about this with like alcoholics, drug user, stimulant users, all with like very thick hair. I think maybe we talked about this. To me it's something like, I think there could totally be an element in the physiology that kind of makes a person drawn to using substances or drop be drawn towards vices. Like there's something about that.
But yeah, there's 100 a protective effect. Whether or not it's, it's from the physiology that's inherited or it's, it's something beyond that is I think up in the question.
HOST
But that's what I'm saying. But the health accounts can't quantify this. So they're saying, they're basically saying get your health in check first and everything falls in place. And I say that's complete nonsense.
It's the complete opposite. You get your mission in check and I promise you, you'll be led to Valhalla just through osmosis. Like you, you fix your fucking, you fix your path, you fucking set that GPS on course and you commit to that shit. And I'm telling you right now, you will start to crave the correct foods.
Like your health will literally become the embodiment of the mission itself. And I wholeheartedly believe that. I've seen substantial evidence across all domains of life that corroborates that. And I think someone would have be very hard pressed to disprove that because it, look, it's, it is kind of mystical.
It's in sort of the metaphysical realm, which is why science doesn't deal with this. But when you observe it with your own two eyes, you're kind of like, kind of hard to disprove. The health kind of health kind of falls in line is what I'm saying. If you fix everything else.
I don't think that's the first order at all. I think, I think if you do that, you actually end up cucking yourself in a lot of ways. Because like I said, feeling good is not a prerequisite to success whatsoever. And I think who are fine tuning their health, you know, these health mechanics that are going around and fixing bodies and you can do, you could do all that till kingdom come.
But if you don't have a mission, it's pretty much game over for you anyway.
CALLER 1
Yeah.
HOST
And by the way, people ask me all the time how, how you get your mission. You don't, you don't search for your mission. Your mission is literally given to you. It's bequeathed.
Yeah, 100. You're the benefactor of the mission. There's nothing to look for. And I'll tell you something.
I think the biggest barometer for being on track is actually how many distractions you feel in your life. That's the signal. I was talking to someone the other day and they were like, how do you gauge if you're on your mission? And I was like, look, if you're perceiving data in your life that feels distracting to you, that's whatever you feel distracted by whatever you're doing in that moment of being distracted, you need to go back to that because that's the signal.
It's kind of like you can't see the black without the white.
CALLER 1
Yeah, I could see that totally.
HOST
Because I'm a guy who's thoroughly distracted. I mean, I, I juggle a monstrous life. I have an enormous amount of responsibility. I got debt, I got, I got monkeys all over my back that I'm dealing with, and I'm trucking through it.
And let me tell you, I, it doesn't faze me. Like, you can literally blast music. You can give me the most uncomfortable furniture. I don't give a.
I'm still gonna barrel through whatever the distractions are. And that's a testament, that's a testimony to the power of obsession and the mission in itself. You cannot throw me off. It just doesn't matter what you throw at me.
You know what I'm saying? And so, like, I don't need to curate. It's kind of like I said once before. I talked about how anybody can meditate and get themselves in a calm state of mind in a dim lit room with candelabra everywhere.
That's easy. But what about an active state of meditation where you're poised and you're, and you have grace under fire while you're in the midst of the maelstrom? What about that? That's true meditation, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm. Always in a state of meditation. I'm very doubt,
CALLER 1
But I'm thinking is for someone.
HOST
This is my point. Let me, let me, let me, let me finish this. And I want to hear, I want to hear your thoughts, man. I, I, I, I fly in the face of all this rhetoric.
Because objectively, I don't know anybody that's under more stress than me 24 hours a day. I mean, I'm under. I'm in a constant fight or flight mode of survival. And it doesn't matter how many digits are in my account, how much I have, how abundant my life is.
I'm always fighting. And so how the. Have I aged so good? How am I so strong?
Why hasn't my body broken on me the way I've been pushing and we're talking for twin decades now?
CALLER 1
You know, my main thought is, is that it's all chosen. You know, I think stress is when you don't choose something really. I think it's almost what you're doing is more challenging your. Your body, challenging your spirit.
I think stress is when you. You don't really have. I forget exactly the excerpt from like one of Ray's articles. Someone sent me something and.
Yeah, I think there's definitely a way that you can kind of like we talked about before, where you can just offset all of the physiological stress by having the mission. It's totally the case.
HOST
I think it's 100 the case. Like it's. It's. I think that's settled at this point.
Yeah. I just don't see another avenue. Go ahead.
CALLER 1
Because we think, go back and forth on things we already agree with. And it's like 100, bro. 100. We just keep it rolling, just refining, sharpening it, like a little act.
HOST
We gotta factor in inflation, man, and start saying thousand percent, 100%. Don't even cut it in the modern world, man.
CALLER 1
Yeah, but hey, back to your.
HOST
Back to your initial point too. This just kind of clicked in my head about the. When you were talking to me about the. The woman's function.
And this is kind of a tangent, but it is a good parallel. Let me tell you this. I am positive that. So I've been rotating a theory in my head that women cannot actually fall in love with a man himself.
And hear me out on this. I don't think women particularly attached to the man. I think a woman falls in love with a man's work and then she can no longer separate the embodiment of that man. In other words, the easiest, best way to get a woman for life is to have her fall in love with your art.
And I think you can see this at almost every level. Any Casanova type, anyone who has extenuating circumstances with women has basically had them fall in love with his work. And I mean that in a very that's very kind of ambiguous in a way. I don't necessarily mean vocational.
It could be style, it could be mannerism, it could be art. Any of those. Any of those things factor into the equation. But I do think it's true.
Once a woman is in love with your work and what you do, it's a wrap, it's over. And so I think that kind of kills the whole clip about chasing women around town. Like, you don't even have to do that because the gravitational pull of a motherfucker who has a huge body of work is gonna. It's a tractor beam, you know what I'm saying?
It's gonna suck everything in. And I think that's the. That is the Taoist way to look at it. You know what I'm saying?
That's the power play. That's the power position. The power position is that you don't have to chase anything. Your mission is gonna suck in like a black hole, everything.
And you can filter it out from there and parse it out from there and tease it out from there. And I. And when I look at any high performer, this is what I see going on in the backdrop. He dropped off.
He's back. Yo, you're back.
CALLER 1
Action. Just terrible today. Yeah, bro. It's crazy because, like, I had a similar thing, I think, where it was my thought on it, where I think women, they.
They need to see something that's really just beyond a physical, physical body, physical work. Like, like you said, with the art. I think it's absolutely true. And we were talking, I think, about the guy of, like, the muscle.
The muscle bodybuilder compared to the artist. They'll always win 10 times out of 10. And it's. It's silly because guys think that just stacking, you can check all the boxes as a man and still fail with women.
Like, look at Tom Brady. That's, I think, a really interesting thing. He's, I think, perfect. He has all the money, he's winning in life, yet he's missing something.
His girl cheated on him. What do you think is behind that?
HOST
I mean, I don't. Look, I'm one of these. I can't cherry pick media. Like, I'm one of these guys who thinks everything the media releases is totally fake.
So anything that I see in the media, this is why I'm so. This is why I'm so hostile towards any health articles and any. Because I see this with the alt right a lot. The alt right is on Twitter haranguing every fucking day.
About how the media is fake. Everything the media publishes is complete bullshit. All fucking, all studies are fucking colluded. But then they'll see fucking arsenic in fucking Topo chico sparkling water.
And all of a sudden they're up in arms saying that shit's poisonous. And I was like, wait a minute, you can't have both. Either everything in the media is fucking fake or like, what are we doing here? Why are we cherry picking articles?
So like the Tom Brady thing, dude, I don't even know if that shit's real, to be honest. I'll tell you something else that I really do believe. And this is a very fringe theory, and this might be tinfoil hat, but I think I'm dead on. I think that these Tom Brady types, these that are so rich that literally have access to pretty much anything, anyone, anytime, I think their brain is so fucking fried and torched, they don't even give a fuck if their chicks cheating on them.
They're fucking, their brains are fucking porno charbroiled. So I don't. I really do. And I.
And I tell you something interesting. I kind of think that this happened to Charlie Sheen. This happened to fucking Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen ran through so many women, he fried his circuitry so hard and so fast that he started sucking dick because that's the only way he could get hard.
He turned gay as like a functional part of his life because he just couldn't get turned on by women anymore because he ran through so many of them. I think all of these fucking big hitters go down this, this avenue, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like these, these billionaires, man. It's kind of the gateway to homosexuality in a lot of ways.
And I do believe that. And I think Tom Brady might be closeted fucking homo.
CALLER 1
That is very interesting.
HOST
Yeah, serious. Because that brain, brother, let me tell you something. Fame is extremely unnatural. There is no organism, there's.
There's nothing since the dawn of time in our DNA or our circuitry that knows how to deal with fame. And that level of attention and that level of accolade and applause and eclair, it's not hardwired into it. It's very unnatural to be bathed and drowned in that level of attention. And I think it does.
I think it has very warping effects on the psychology.
CALLER 1
I have something interesting to, I think, to add to that is that estrogen, I think can be seen as the hormone that kind of. I think Ray Pete called it the hormone of new beginnings. And my, my View of that is that estrogen drives growth in the organism, but without the structuring hormones like pregnenolone and progesterone and thyroid, you just have this kind of undifferentiated, constantly swelling, the tumor growth. It's like what bodybuilders look like, hyperverbalized and just reaching towards goals that are essentially just super repetitive.
And that's kind of what I see with the whole culture of business and sports and media. It's really just stacking and stacking and stacking with no differentiation, no complexification. It's like, it's. It's kind of what I see with.
With the people like that where they take it so far that they just need more, more, more. And it's not necessarily even creating anything. It's just kind of like swelling, almost like at the cellular level where estrogen causes cells to take up water. They're de energized.
You kind of see that physiology come up with a lot of these sorts of types too.
HOST
Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, athletics is a unique domain in general because it. It's really the only domain on Earth where you actually. It.
It's very dependent on raw talent. And it's really the only domain where age matters. Every other domain in life, you can pretty much ascend to the top of the ladder and you don't even have to be the best.
CALLER 1
Yeah, I saw you say that. What do you think is like. And so.
HOST
And so there is that vapid sort of spiritual. I would. I would say like leprosy in the whole athletic game. But I do think those guys end up with their brains fried the hardest, for sure.
I mean, those guys don't live long. Have you noticed that? And I think because they retire early, the mission dissolves. And this is like a total.
This is some scaffolding to my theory about the mission. I mean, who deteriorates the hardest when they retire? Athletes. I mean, bro, I was playing high, high limit blackjack with Ray Allen a couple years back, and that.
That was a shell of himself. He couldn't even speak a coherent sentence. And we were playing $20,000 a hand at Aria, but in the back room, and that motherfucker was literally like a. He was.
He was done toasted. Mission, Mission gone.
CALLER 1
Yeah, that. That I think almost lends credence to the kind of idea that longevity to me doesn't really even seem like the goal of life. I really don't. And I think intensity is.
And people. Maybe I brought this up before, but, like, people always ask, like, oh, wide Ray, lift 86. He was experimenting and he was just going forward on his mission and he made so much progress, I think with just health and energy metabolism and, and life in general that I think that's almost more important. Like you, you know, like the thing, it's like the hot flame burns out quicker or whatever it is.
But bro, I totally see that. At least with the athletes. Yeah, 100.
HOST
There was that on the Celtics, bro. The guy literally became a junkie on the streets of like Oklahoma or some. I mean this dude was like a killer in the NBA. I think like a bunch of NBA players had to have an intervention and pull him out of the gutter.
Like these guys literally crashed the hardest. I don't think that's a bad thing though.
CALLER 1
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like as long as you're living out a life that's worth living, that's what I like. I don't think the Brian Johnson thing of extending life is really a useful metric for, you know, existence. Like the thing that I think is fun is like looking at a number and seeing that as the kind of ultimate thing that you got to accomplish.
It's I think, silly if you don't view the, the level of function. Like because you can live super long, you can prolong your own life, but I don't think you can prolong the life of the species. And I think there's a lot that you have to sacrifice to extend your life. So I don't know, it'll be interesting to see what happens kind of with Brian Johnson's experiment.
I honestly think that just some like people have said this too before. It's like some random farmer drinking raw milk and smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee every day. They're just Gonna outlive him 100 and he's just gonna, what do you call it? Not make much progress from all this anti aging stuff.
HOST
But dude, that's a fact. One of those life comes at you fast memes is going to come. It's going to be a split screen. You're going to see Brian Johnson on the right, like 130 years old, looking like a vampire from Bram Stroker.
And on the left you're going to see some chiseled, leathery faced from like Japan, completely puffing and drinking and drinking sake every day, outpacing him at every level. That's 100 coming for sure. But then again, I mean, look, you could play devil's advocate with this and say that whole experiment is his form of art. And, and to some degree there's some credence to that.
But look, I believe your, your power level as a man, believe it or not, is not in what you can gain. It ain't, it ain't in what you can earn or accumulate, it's what you can waste. Your power level as a man is an expenditure. It's what you can, it's spoilage, it's what you can lose, it's what you can waste, it's what you can give away, it's what you can, you know what I mean, disperse.
And that's why I said the true masculine frame is actually in externalization. The masculine externalizes everything. It doesn't hold anything in. That's why the Stoics are down horrendously, because they hold everything in and try to alchemize emotions and try to pretend it doesn't exist.
It's not how the world works whatsoever. That's why that was an end of life philosophy, you know what I'm saying? For Marcus Aurelius, if you try to apply that in beginning stages when you're a machine, like polished 24 year old male, you know, you ain't. Going to go very far.
Good deeds for other people, that happens laterally also, that happens accidentally on the mission. I think I was telling you, man. But I have minted millionaires. I have literally minted millionaires off the breadcrumbs that I've left behind in projects.
Just literally going through my mission, leaving a breadcrumb trail like Hansel and Gretel. I've minted millionaires. And what I mean by that is I have been a very, I've been a massive innovator. I've created networks, I've created jobs, I've created bizarre jobs out of thin air to give people income, to basically support and amplify my own work.
Know what I'm saying? Like, dude, I, I'm not even kidding. There was a time In, I think 2017, I had a full time cigarette roller to follow me around and have freshly rolled cigs at all times. And I paid them six figures a year to do that.
And this was a who, who was unemployed, hopeless, distraught, in despair, and I was paying him six figs. And then there were side deals, you know what I'm saying? So like, and here's the thing too, like, I've always had this strategy that's very underrated, that I've never heard anybody talk about this, but this is the greatest strategy on earth and it's worked very well for Me, I always take the short end of the stick when I do, when I do a deal. Like I, I don't, I don't negotiate, I don't barter, I don't, I don't haggle.
I will take the raw end of the deal like 10 out of 10 times. I don't, I don't give a. But my, my energy is so abundant. I'll figure it out, I'll get it, I'll make it up on the back end somehow, some way.
And this strategy takes you very far in life. The way that I got into that watch business when I worked with the, the objectively most powerful wealthy watch dealer in America in my 20s was, I was selling him Rolexes in the beginning. And I would take bad deals left and right. I didn't give a.
I'm not here to haggle you. For an extra 500 bucks, you can keep it. Buddy, let me tell you something, you do that for a year and you take bad deals, bad deals, bad deals. Let other people win, Let them get the better end of you.
You have all the leverage. When it's time for you to call in a favor, when you gotta declare war, they're gonna come in with the biggest fucking intercontinental ballistic missiles you've ever seen to help you out.
CALLER 1
Totally.
HOST
You know what I mean? Like, like. But that's an energy thing, brother. This, this intersects perfectly with your whole idea of bioenergetics.
Because look, the bottom line of what I'm really saying is, is if you, if you have that economy of energy and you're a high energy, you're not worried about price shaving, price cuts. Am I winning on every deal? That's a piss poor way to live. And all those out there that are doing that, trying to scalp an extra 100, 200 bucks off every deal.
Those never win in the end.
CALLER 1
Never. Yeah, it's all preservation, you know,
HOST
- And it's like I said in my last spaces, I was like, look, if you're truly strong, you're gonna let prey on you. You know what I'm saying? Dude, it reminds me of like these tigers.
You'll see tigers in a habitat, they got all sorts of organisms living off of them and they'll have like ticks, flies eating like little patches of their, their back hide and they're just chilling. That animal is so mammothic and so powerful that other life forms are going to feed and prey off it, off it. And humans are no different. Like I let, I let a little bit of cannibalism in My life.
I'll take bad deals. You want to scout me for an extra 10 GS on a car, take it, buddy. Not worried about it. I'll make it up on the back end.
I promise you. I'll figure it out. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here counting the fucking nickels and pennies in my purse, trying to keep my books together because I'm scared that I don't have the energy to recover from that. Yeah, and so, and so, dude, it's great.
It's counterintuitive because taking bad deals, my whole life has paid fucking dividends. That's the, that's the paradox.
CALLER 1
Yeah, there's a huge paradox to it because I think like something that people miss is that if you don't just get exactly what you want right at the moment, you're, you have something to keep moving. Like you have a reason to keep focusing and keep striving. And I think that's part of it. But again, it's, it's always about just expending, expending, expending.
That's the whole point. Keeping energy moving through the system, you
HOST
know, and giving, giving, giving, deploying, deploying, deploying circulation, keeping things always moving in flow, brother, that is literally the method. And that's why taking the time out to go to car dealerships and negotiate with some dork for two and a half hours because you want to save $40 on your car payment. I mean, man, you might as well blow my head off with a double barrel shotgun if I ever get to that point, you have permission to blow my head off. Because you know what's ironic?
That's the type of, that gives you cancer. That's the type of shit that will make the microplastic fucking inflammation flare the fuck up. It's that type of worry and fucking scared coy pace of always feeling like everyone's taking you for a ride and everyone's taking advantage of you, bro, that is literally the, that destroys your body, I'm telling you. That's the, that'll give you melanoma completely.
CALLER 1
Yeah, but it's, it's wild because almost letting, letting yourself take the hits, it does so much more for, for you as an organism. But just, it's about the daoist, I think, kind of idea that kind of, kind of runs tangent with what you have. And then the bioenergetics stuff where letting go actually leads you to having more power and more control, essentially. I think it structures life the way it should be.
When you submit to, you know, higher forces. So yeah bro, I mean I think it's funny because I had a mutual. Who tweeted, he said my energy is only limited by the energy that I consume. Meaning that could apply to food, that could apply to obligations that you take on responsibilities.
Everything you take on adds to this bigger metabolism that's working through you. The co. It's literally the cosmic flow of energy. You know, it's like I think focusing on the metabolic view really applies at every level.
So that's the thing that's just so powerful to me.
HOST
100 by the way, that strategy that I employed that was whether I was broke, didn't matter what I had. I'm always going to take the raw end of the deal even if I'm in a desperate situation. Because that is how you actually ascend Jacob's ladder. And that I'm telling anyone, any of you youngsters listening to this shit, I'm telling you, if you want to get in with the big dogs and the big players, don't haggle and try to wrangle them and rinse them right away.
Take the short end of the stick in the beginning because that will massively pay off when it comes time for you to call in a favor. You got to raise capital for a project you're passionate about. Guess who you can go call on a Saturday night and this will get that wire ready for Monday morning. That and that's what I did with the watch business.
And by the way, I rose rank super quick. I became that motherfucker's right hand man. And this segues perfectly into bioenergetics because that guy that I'm talking about, you guys all know who this guy is, by the way, I'm not gonna say his name, but if you google him, you'll know who he is. This was in his 60s when I was dealing with him literally, objectively, a pudgy penguin looking.
No, you would not look at his physiognomy and say this is a healthy guy who takes care of himself. Didn't lift nothing. This guy had the single most insane predatorial mindset I have ever come across on this planet. I've gained unfounded treasures of wisdom from hanging out with this.
And he had no body, nothing, a horrible diet, piss poor running laps around these fucking 20 year olds. I mean this dude would walk into a room, motherfuckers were spinning motherfuckers heads were on a swivel like they were the exorcist spinning around. Who's this motherfucker he would bust open doors. Like he walked into a door and you thought a cowboy just walked into a fucking saloon.
That's what this kind of motherfucker was, that aura. And his life was in total fucking shambles and chaos. He was the most disorganized motherfucker I've ever seen. His desk was a nightmare.
He had no idea where any paperwork was. He's fucking flipping Andy Warhol originals. He's fucking flipping multimillion dollar paintings. He's selling fucking huge ass vvs diamonds to the Kardashians.
Mayweather's coming in and buying fucking Birkin bags from him for his entourage. And this motherfucker is flipping. This guy's literally involved in like 350 deals a day. And he's, he's, he's lodging all the info in his head.
He wouldn't even write down appointments. His life was a disaster. And that's what I'm trying to say is like fundamentally, all these guys who have this insane well and reservoir of energy and vitality and intensity and force and make a mark on the world, all of them have the same fucking thing in common, which is that they're all agents of chaos. All of them have a very chaotic life, which goes.
Which literally validates that quote you just said about what you consume.
CALLER 1
Yeah, brother.
HOST
And brother, let me tell you, this dude was in his. I'm telling you, he's in his 60s. He didn't even. The guy slept like three hours a night.
But he just loved, loved making deals, he loved being in the game, he loved what he did for a living. And he would show up every day. Workaholic too, working 14 hour days. And this guy was super breaded, had an infinite cadre of women.
He had no deficits in his life of like, you would look at a guy objectively and be like, I want that. And he was, bro, he was fat. He was fat. So like no on this platform can talk to me about this health, because I literally see it every day.
I see these who just have the mission outpace you, outrun you, outlive you, outgun you out, earn you everything across the board. Total annihilation and domination. Checkmate.
CALLER 1
Yeah. Well, bro, you know, thinking about this is that, what do you think if, if a guy like that take him, take care of his diet, clean, clean it up. Not necessarily in the way that like these like kind of health, health obsessed guys are doing, but in the more bioenergetic sense where just adding, let's say coffee or whatever sort of stimulant that he likes, adding digestible fruit, adding raw dairy.
HOST
It's gonna be his edge like that. I can tell you right, I could tell you right now. It's gonna bevel his edge 100%. It's gonna D.
Because, because what I'm saying is he's, look, this guy is hosting a show in his head, right? He's hosting this sort of movie, this, these sort of theatrics that gets him by on a daily basis. This is what we all do. We're all playing a movie, we're all playing a character.
We all have a Persona. That's just a fact. So this what I'm saying, he doesn't have the bandwidth to tolerate any additions into his life. You start tinkering and with the, in fine tuning other, other mechanisms and systems are going to fall apart just like that game Jenga.
You start removing blocks, you start, guess what, the pillars of that foundation. And I've seen this over and over and over, and this goes back to my central fucking thesis in my work, which is that do not fix anything. Like I'm talking at the acute level, right? If you have an acute pain, acute issue, I say don't fix it.
When things get chronic, maybe it's time to get some intervention. And that's still a maybe. I don't think anything needs to be fixed in life, brother. I think everything sorts itself out and works itself out.
CALLER 1
I do agree with that. Yeah, I, well again, I think it's just guided by intuition. That's my whole thing, you know what I'm saying?
HOST
So like you start meal prepping with this guy and start putting chicken tenders in his fridge and broccoli and steamed zucchini and, and this guy has to literally have the mental.
CALLER 1
Well, all of those are.
HOST
That's what I'm saying. But that's hypothetical. That's just hypothetical. You replace that with raw milk, whatever, dairy, whatever.
I'm saying, the still remains. Like, I don't know if this guy has the bandwidth to even make those inclusions.
CALLER 1
Yeah, I see what you're saying. I do. Yeah, well, it's, it's funny because like I noticed this. I don't know what you think about this, but bro, I have not seen a single guy that's under 30 or probably not under 30, I'd say closer to my age, but like, who's really, you know, sort of headed down a good path in life, who isn't like fully eating a healthy diet, having, you know, beef, grass fed food, stuff like that to Me, it seems like something the younger generation like genuinely needs to take care of.
I just, I don't see it working with anyone that's younger. I don't know what you think of that, dude.
HOST
I think it's honestly the opposite. I look at and I'm talking, I have a resource based model. So everything my lens of life is like capitalism, you know, I'm all about fucking flash and brilliance and fucking excellence and shit. So I'm always, I'm always looking at terms and like, of like upward mobility and achievement and shit.
Because I think that's the most ethical form of spirituality is excellence. Right. So my point is, is when I look at these guys who are excelling in the field, they're like these tech guys that are fucking very innovative and creative and creating all the fucking tech that we use every day, bro. They're smashing fucking Mountain Dew and eating pizza for every meal and they're.
And it doesn't seem to impact the brain. I mean, this was my whole point. Like, diet is very important. Don't get me wrong.
My diet is perfect. I have an immaculate diet. I have for, for many, many, many years. But I need that for the type of lifestyle that I live.
I need that extra strength, I need that gas tank, you know what I'm saying? And, and for me, I'll even go a step beyond. I don't even think. I think the nutrition is very important, but I do believe primarily where the, like, the actual advantage that I have of being on a militant diet is just in being a control freak.
Like, I'm a control freak over what I put in my body for sure. I'm one of those pathological who like, I don't eat seed oils. I go out of my way to avoid all this bullshit. But what I'm saying is I'm a control freak by nature.
And that is a symptom of that. The real advantage is that I'm just a control freak. I like to drive the car, you know what I'm saying? I like to fly.
I like to fly the plane, I like to drive the boat. And so what I'm saying is I think that's where I get the advantage from. Even though I know the nutrition is important. But dude, I just ran that experiment.
I mean, I ate pretty bad for like four months. I didn't see any impact on my performance.
CALLER 1
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting to me because I'm trying to think of like, what, what is it that determines that these entrepreneur types eat the slop? Why do they eat the slop? You know, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
What do you think?
HOST
So I, I think I know exactly what it is. I think these like tech guys and the reason why they're diet is so bad, believe it or not. I actually think feeling shitty in their body, like not feeling good, having digestion issues, being up is actually what helps them create the art. It's why they're so innovative.
It's a, it's a overcompensation. They're literally over cloaking their system by feeling like garbage is propelling them. Like they don't even, this is unconscious. Some of these guys don't even realize that they, they could feel 100 times better.
That's like the elephant in the room is like when it comes to these types of lifestyles, a lot of people that are on a shitty diet don't even know what it's like to be on the other side because they would just tell you they feel fine, they don't feel great, but they feel fine. And I have a feeling, brother, that like a lot of these motherfuckers who have these, this fucking, you know, digestion problems, fucking acid reflux, these little fucking issues in the system, kind of over cloak it and overdrive things and are pushing them to fucking create because they're agitated at a very mild micro level, there's like some irritation and they, they're, they can't sit still, they're fidgety, they got fucking adhd, they're fucking. And they don't even realize it's because they're system's up, you know what I'm saying? And dude, I mean it's, it's literally look at every, in tech, I'm telling you, they have the worst diets on the planet.
But they're balling, yeah, they're, they're mega balling and they're playing the capitalistic game and they're doing it to perfection. So it's, it's interesting. Like you have to kind of pick your poison in life. This is why I said as a man, I think you actually want to top your health out at about 90%.
I think you want to stay about 10% sick. And I, and I will, I will die on that hill because that last 10% of sickness is going to carry you very, very high.
CALLER 1
It's a stimulus. Totally. Yeah.
HOST
If you cure everything in life, if you cure everything and solve all your problems, you will die very fast spiritually and then physically,
CALLER 1
yeah, totally.
HOST
You got to be careful you got to be careful with the afflictions that you choose to remove. Very.
CALLER 1
Yeah. It's interesting though because my whole thing, I think because you know, people talk about the environment deteriorating. Last time you were like, oh no, I don't think it is. It's.
There's nothing wrong with it. It's. I do think that there's a balance between that, but I, I think all of the endocrine disrupting things in the environment, the shitty food and whatnot, I, I actually tend to think, because you got me thinking about this, I think it's partially a natural outcome of evolution. I really do.
And almost. However these things shift our organism, whether that be towards stress or in a positive direction, I think it's kind of inevitable. Meaning like if it takes a person out, like wipes them out, I think that is kind of what allows the over correction or the, or the kind of corrective process to start. Like now you're talking.
You said something where you like death is, is the start of life or something along those lines. I totally see that with the case of all the toxic in the environment.
HOST
Yeah, bingo, man. It's like all these guys that are railing right now and haranguing about microplastics. It's like, do these people not understand that before like in a pre plastic world you were dying of like salmonella and dang fever. Like you want to deal with that type of, like you want to deal with like jungle diseases and like that.
It's like you gotta pick one because like syringes, modern medicine, vaccines, like everything, all these have got to get herd immunity, brother. Like all that shit's plastic based. So it's like you go to a pre plastic world, all right, you want to die of Montezuma's revenge, like on the fucking Pinto, on the pilgrimage to America, like people were dying of that type of shit. So like I think it's inarguable.
I think we're in a much safer world. Even though everyone's tripping about the environment.
CALLER 1
Yeah, totally. That actually kind of leads me to something. I was curious what you think about, like the possibility of like a world shutdown or like kind of one world government establishment. Like do you think a person should prepare for anything like that or adapt their life at all?
HOST
No chance, bro. Yeah, no, literally zero chance. I never think about that. And if I did, and if I did, my lifestyle is, is already kind of calibrated.
Like you don't have to prepare. If that type of was happening, the like all, all you would have to do is go next door to your neighbor, raid their fridge. You know what I'm saying? Like when, when, when, when comes to that point and it's dog eat dog and the whole world is against each other, the predators are going to win.
Like, why would I have to prepare if Sally next door has Campbell's chicken soup for three years if really popped and everyone was desperate and there was like a literal purge. Guess who, Guess who's coming into Sally's front door with a shotgun. You know what I'm saying?
CALLER 1
Yeah, totally.
HOST
That's like actually how it would play out.
CALLER 1
Yeah.
HOST
The people who prepared would just get preyed upon. Like, I mean there's, there's a deep lesson in there.
CALLER 1
Yeah. No, that's funny because I think once you're able to be adaptable to any situation, it kind of. It almost like you realize that preparation is something that happens along the way after the fact. It's like the plan comes after the action.
That's. That's been a huge thing for me, really. Like, I think if it just comes intuitively, that's when the structure starts to form in the best way possible because you're kind of propping up a false reality by preparing or planning out anything. And that's not to say that plans are bad, but what it is to say is that life is not static and you always have to be adaptable.
So. Yeah.
HOST
Yeah, man. There's no script.
CALLER 1
Yeah. You know, I had something. What do you think about. I know you're kind of against supplements, but you I think would understand, like, because I think I might have said like the stuff about thyroid and the different steroids and stuff like that.
I think that supplementing something like testosterone is 100 detrimental. If you're taking a huge dose, it's going to suppress natural production and stuff like that. But there are things like pregnenolone which actually support their own production. That's like one of like the vitality hormones.
It's I think. Right. Called like a anti stress youth hormone. Like what do you think of stuff like that?
Because to me that seems like almost more natural than just going without anything just due to the fact that it's natural production.
HOST
It's a good question. I just can't justify it, man. I've never. I'm supplement free.
I'm drug free. I've never injected anything in my body. I don't take anything other than real food. And I think I'll die.
I think I will die in that condition. Have always told me, oh, trust me, when you get to like 45, 46, you're gonna jump on TRT. I'm like, dude, go yourself. You're speaking, you're speaking from your level of discipline, not mine.
I'm good, I'm golden. And I'll tell you something, the who age like fine wine men. They, you can literally tell the ones who never injected a substance, they age beautifully. Steroids.
This is an unseen sort of hidden secret. Ages the out of your face. Look at any of these roid heads who pin even TRT for long term. You end up with a Ken doll type of body and you end up with a very severely.
The head doesn't. Doesn't match the body is what I want to say. And if you look close enough, you can see this at every level. You can't even talk about Sylvester Stallone or any of these outliers because all those had plastic surgery and jaw filings and you know what I'm saying?
Hair plugs, whatever the. So they're not even a good counter argument to that. And then I think that hormones in the body are, is a symphony. It's an orchestra.
And everything has to play in concert together. And I think if you any of, if you start tweaking and with any particular hormone, you don't know how the other instruments are going to play. You know, when it comes time to, to be at the opera is what I want to say. And I believe that's 100% true.
Cranking up your testosterone is straight up one of the dumbest things you can fucking do. Because that shit doesn't make you a man. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't make you a man.
I mean, dude, look, if you're on testosterone every month and you got your bottles coming and you got a pin test like you have to come to the conclusion that you're on a subscription plan to be a man. That is shameful. You're on a subscription plan. You're on a sass model to be.
To like keep your male characteristics. What the is that? Also, also, this is the, this is the sword of Damocles that lops off the head of anybody who talks about testosterone and making you a more of a hard charging male. If testosterone was that valid as a metric, all the roid head bodybuilders at Venice beach would be the legislators, they'd be presidents, they'd be making policy.
They would be literally forging and forming the pastiche of a world that we live in. And that is not the fucking case. It's all the testosterone lists, dorks, squiggly headed motherfuckers that are running the game. So until I see Muscle beach start fucking climbing the ladder, you know what I'm saying?
The Jolly Green Giant, and they start climbing up that vine and coming to the top. Maybe I'll change my opinion, but I haven't seen that happen yet.
CALLER 1
Yeah, totally. Yeah, bro, you said something a little while ago. I think it was like you were talking about tech. It's.
It really intrigued me. You were like, the online world is where all the action is now. And the physical world is just where you go recharge to then go right back online. Can you go a bit more into that?
I thought that was really interesting. Understand?
HOST
Yeah. So I redacted. Actually, not redacted. I rescinded a theory because I used to say the real world was never going out of style.
People would still be, you know, inking deals on cocktail napkins at bodegas and. And, you know, that sort of romanticism of like the Hilton Hotel, I believe that deal, the guy who bought the Hilton brand, I literally believe that contract was signed on a napkin at a restaurant. Like, there's some romanticism there for sure, some Melvillian romanticism. But I'm here to say that in the modern world, I do believe that property, that attribute has inverted.
I do think the physical realm now is where you actually take a break to get back online. Everything's online. Making money, meeting communities, dating, Everything's online. And I think we have to embrace it because the modernity is giving handouts.
You know what I'm saying? Nature is very benevolent and whoever. Whatever forces have brought us here have basically dawned on us these tokens and to sort of, you know, stifle those or pearl clutch about it, I think is a huge, massive mistake. I mean, when I go to the gym now and I go to the park and.
Or I. I take my son or my daughter to the park and go into the sun, I look at it as just a recharge station, you know what I'm saying? To come back online. Everything I do is remote now.
Do I. Do I have some resentment towards it? Of course I do. But I also have to lean into it or I'm gonna miss the free handouts.
It's a massive mistake not to be online, you know what I'm saying? It's. It's the most. It's the most interesting theater in the world.
CALLER 1
Yeah, bro, it's interesting. Like, you know, like Ted Kaczynski, like the Unabomber. How he said that like, tech is like the end of everything. I actually think, like.
Because I think it kind of goes in line with the, the endocrine disrupting stuff where it's almost like a natural outcome of evolution. Like Ray. Ray talked about these guys, Vernadsky and Des Chardin, or Deschardin I think is a French guy. He had a theory about like the.
There's the geosphere, which is just planetary life, then the biosphere, which is biological animals and humans, and then the new sphere, which essentially is technology. And all of these systems evolve together and it's interesting seeing how they blend now because I think tech is definitely something that can cause, you know, degradation to a person's system. You know, just the. I honestly do think that the, the EMF and blue light is not helpful.
I, I don't think it is. So it'll be interesting to see because there's a, there's a few projects coming out now that are making better tech. There's. There's this company, Daylight Computer.
They just launched a blue light free computer. Looks really sick and you can use it out like that. So.
HOST
Yeah, that's a good point. Look, I mean like I live as primal Paleo as possible. Like when the sun goes down, I keep all my lights off in the house. I hate artificial light.
I don't. I despise Like I am disgusted and repulsed by having light switches on at night. You can just tell it's unhealthy as. So I keep lights off when the sun goes down in the house.
I like candles. Like I'm into all that for sure. But I will say that the like, the tech as like a funk. The functional way that I've dealt with this and I think I was 10 years ahead of my time.
I don't have a computer. I've never, I haven't used the computer. I haven't typed on a computer in probably 15 years. And that has been a massive game changer.
I run everything off my phone and I have for a very long time. If I can't run a business, if I can't do a deal, if I can't do it from my phone, I ain't doing it. Because I hate sitting in front of a computer and by osmosis yet again, talking about lateral achievement just by having the phone. I'm so mobile, bro.
Like I think I said on this basis, I literally walk and I never even met, I never engaged this. I just one day opened the app, but haphazardly and looked at my daily Steps. I'm. I'm clocking like 15, 000 steps a day just walking around my estate on the phone, moving.
Every phone call I'm on, I'm pacing back and forth like a Siberian tiger, chain smoking, going outside. I get probably six to seven hours a day of sunlight just from. Because I like to be outside on the phone, walking around, moving around. I'm always up on my feet.
I rarely, rarely am laying down or chilling or like in a chair. Rarely. And that's the benefit of just running everything off the mobile phone. And then you'll have some who will contest this and they'll be like, well, how do you get graphics done?
How do you, you know, because there's some things that operationally are a little bit tougher on the phone. It's like you outsource that. If I have to get an image done, if I have to get something created, I have a team for that. There's an assistant who will cook that shit up for me and send it to me in five minutes.
But the phone is nifty as fuck. And I've been doing this for a long time, brother. Like, I. I don't see myself ever sitting in front of a computer ever again.
I just can't do it. It's soul killing to me. Like, I literally cringe when I fucking see a laptop and I see motherfuckers sitting in a fucking chair, hunched over fucking shoulders, internally rotated carpal tunnel, like punching keys. I just don't like it.
And I'm all about agility and I like the speed and the efficiency of just having a tiny little device in my pocket that can do everything. It's a. The iPhone is a Swiss army knife.
CALLER 1
Totally.
HOST
It's a movie studio in your pocket. It's a crypto wallet. It's got every thing. Finance, banking.
There's nothing you can't do on your phone. Nothing in the modern world. There's an app for it. Like you can shortcut, you can jerry rig it, you'll figure it out.
CALLER 1
Yeah, it, bro. It's funny because people ask me why I put my videos in vertical form on Twitter and I genuinely think that like long form, like content or stuff like that should be in vertical because just it's. It kind of gets you into the state of movement, you know, just. It's exactly what you're describing.
So, man, it's going to be interesting to see just how tech kind of changes over these next few years or whatever.
HOST
But 100, 100 and dude is just blend seamlessly. With what I've been saying about movement and flow and just, you know, just do running everything from the phone, brother, like learning and action, those things are very well connected things. And I've talked about it at length. Like when you're on the phone and you're talking to people, there is more authority that gets established when you're standing up, you know what I'm saying?
Like doing sale, doing sales calls in a seated position. That sounds like hell on earth. That sounds like a death sentence to me. Because you don't.
Your body literally does not think well when it's seated. You can literally test this. This is why people have a natural impulse. If your phone rings and you're sitting on a couch, a lot of people have a natural inclination to stand up and start walking around while they're on the phone.
And that's unconscious. And that's because you think clear when you're in movement.
CALLER 1
You want to hear something interesting about this? I was just looking into like kind of the why we move so much when we're speaking. And there's something really interesting about the calves where they're pumping blood almost like a second heart. So it's keeping blood flowing throughout the body is so interesting to me to think about because that's fueling your brain.
And yeah, man, it's just wild to think how the system is interconnected.