Q & A rollercoaster

00:00:02HOST

All right, so we're up here today. We're gonna pull back the curtain on what the is going on in the collective consciousness. Let's get a sneak peek as to what's going on out there. What's going on in people's psyches, what's going on in people's personal lives.

Let's just jump in. You can be as explicit as you want. Obviously, there will be draconian moderation, as always, so put your best foot forward. I'm gonna do my best to actually just pull up verified accounts first, see if that'll work as some quality control, and then I can work my way down from.

How are you doing today? Kick it off, man. I was gonna light the wick to start it, but I'll let you light the tnt. Let's go.

00:01:09CALLER 6

Yeah. It's crazy that you talked about collective consciousness, because that was exactly what I was thinking about. But my question to you would be that I recently realized the sheer power in learning how to weightlift. What was your experience like when you first started off and you, you know, realized the explosiveness and how it translated over to other, you know, areas of your life?

00:01:37HOST

Yeah, man. I mean, intuitively, I was always just drawn to strength sports. I mean, I always had some kind of freakish spider monkey strength to begin with. So it was always kind of in my wheelhouse.

I always had gorilla grip. Like, my grip strength was always naturally pretty insane. I was always pretty sinewy. And I just.

I kind of knew how to throw my. My. How to use my weight. And so, yeah, man, when I stepped in the gym, the eccentric stuff was fascinating to me because it just made a lot of sense.

It just made a lot of sense. The to wipe out the eccentric and just focus on the concentric aspects of the lift. But yeah, man, that explosive power, I mean, it was an act. Complete accident.

But I do think that I adorned myself in sort of that athlete archetype from an early age. And people are tripping if they don't think there's power in that. Yeah, in itself. Because, I mean, I've said this before.

You want to talk about. We talk about how opportunities kind of are in a whirlpool and they kind of eddy in these very small circles of elite people. Well, one of the only broke archetypes that's accepted, widely accepted among elite circles is athletes.

00:03:00CALLER 6

True, true.

00:03:04HOST

And so that just kind of was a natural thing for me. I would get invited everywhere. I mean, I looked like a freak, to be quite honest with you. In my 20s.

I put in two a days, man. I had so much frenetic energy. I didn't really have a mission. I didn't have much to do.

And so to exert myself and to exhaust myself, so I didn't implode, I would just go to the gym twice a day. And I was a fanatic, man. I mean, I, I was in there constantly. Vicious mentality when I was in the gym.

00:03:32CALLER 2

Yeah,

00:03:36HOST

weightlifting's a, I think, the most underrated sport in the world, man, because it's the truest expression of athleticism. You can't clean and jerk heavy weight, and you definitely cannot snatch unless you're a athlete. It's just that simple. Because speed, speed solves all problems in weightlifting.

And it, it just so happens to be. That's true for life as well. But yeah, man, speed in the weight room, if you don't lift fast, that weight's gonna go nowhere. And as, as we know from every sport, the fastest athlete is always the best athlete.

00:04:11CALLER 3

Yeah.

00:04:13CALLER 8

Yeah.

00:04:14CALLER 6

And I was thinking that, you know, you need to play hard in order to work hard. So when you're obsessed with weightlifting, what happens is you start you, when you have fun weightlifting, first thing in the morning, you hit the gym and you weightlift and you're full of vitality. Then you can go out and just, you know, expand, you know, when you're obsessed, that transfers over to other areas of your life, your path, your posture. One thing that I've realized is that, you know, in weightlifting, you have to put your pressure on the mid foot, so lower and lower back foot.

And that has been so powerful because it triggers your mind and you think robust thoughts when you are in that posture, when you're trapped, when your shoulders are back. So I want to, I want to know, like, what. Have you seen any. Like, of course you did, like, benefits outside the gym.

But I guess, yeah, that's, that was my question.

00:05:09HOST

I've always said that, man. I've always said there's a hidden, there's a hidden concept Here, that posture 100% has cognitive associations to it. And a lot of people don't understand this, but what I'm saying is when you have kinked up tissue and junked up tissue in your body, 100%, 100% that locks certain parts of your brain that, that are able to think properly. And when you're supple and your mobility is flawless, as mine has been for a very long time, because mobility was one of the first things that I worked on opening my pelvic joints Making sure that my shoulder extension, shoulder flexion was flawless.

I put a ton of work into just those patterns before I ever started lifting heavy. And yeah, bro, of course, from standing up straight and just having your rhomboids and your scapula all set correctly, your pelvis floor. Yeah. In a neutral position, it 100 unlocks parts of the brain.

I mean, movement and thinking are not unconnected elements. They are 100 connected. And so, you know, whenever I see these that are. Have kyphosis or even lower doses in their than their lower spine or that are walking around hunched with horrible, horrible posture, people that can't even reach their shoulders over their head, I understand that there's like a mental crippling that's associated with that.

00:06:27CALLER 1

Yeah.

00:06:27CALLER 6

And when you're in a correct posture, you take way more space than you usually do. Like, people turn their heads. When you're walking with your shoulders rolled back and you're putting the right pressure on your foot, you take way more space.

00:06:41HOST

100%, man. I mean, it's one of the reasons why I've been relatively injury free. I mean, weightlifting historically is actually one of the safest sports. Just because when you're throwing that kind of weight over your head, you don't have time to doubt yourself and you don't have time to worry about anything.

You know what I'm saying? You got to whip that weight very, very hard. Very similar to as if you were trying to pry open the jaws of an alligator. That's how hard you have to pull on the bar to get some of these weights over your head.

And so, you know, you only have a fraction of a second. And there's a lot of life lesson in that. I mean, when you only have a fraction of a second to execute, your body tends to. To give itself to you, you know what I'm saying?

It tends to. To be a very strong, well connected chain. And there's. There's no leaks in there.

But when you're doing slow movements, that's when everybody gets hurt. That's what life will hurt you in general.

00:07:34CALLER 6

Thank you for the talk, man. I appreciate it.

00:07:36HOST

Yeah. Let's get Magnus. What's up, buddy? Magnus, I can't hear a word.

I'm gonna. I'm gonna put you in the back pocket for now, but.

00:08:02CALLER 1

Hey, what's up? Can you hear me?

00:08:05HOST

Yup.

00:08:06CALLER 1

All right, awesome. I'm very glad that I got brought up. So pretty much my question is really just about the hero's journey and everything. So pretty much, I just graduated from College, and I was playing D1 football, but that wasn't really fulfilling me.

So now I'm about to go to Europe. And I know you've touched before on, like, staying in your hometown and establishing home turf, but what's your take on traveling and just going that route?

00:08:35HOST

Yeah, I know a bunch of guys doing it right now. I mean, I get. I get VM updates from dudes that are traveling all over the world and kind of hoofing it, roughing it. Not much money, trying to make things click.

I mean, I'm a fan for sure. It's like I said the other day, I think I had a tweet, I said, in order to become. You gotta kind of become a nobody to become a somebody. Your hometown, you can consider that a failed start.

00:08:59CALLER 6

And your mic cut off.

00:09:00HOST

Brute, can you hear me?

00:09:02CALLER 1

No, I can't hear you.

00:09:03HOST

Yeah, okay.

00:09:05CALLER 6

Brute, your mic cut off.

00:09:07HOST

My golden.

00:09:09CALLER 1

Nah, that.

00:09:10HOST

You're good. Yeah, man. So what I was saying. Can you hear Brew, brother, do not interrupt this show or I will clap you.

What I was saying, man, is your hometown is a failed start in many, many ways. And so in order to become. In order to kind of develop a lot of the character traits and characters, character patterns, you got to become a nobody and start from nothing and work your way back up and along the way, you know. You know what I'm saying?

You kind of. In the gust of wind that you leave behind, you're going to pick up a lot of people on your crusade. And it's a natural kind of kind of thing, man. People are just going to come on the back of the caboose and ride the train.

Some people are going to get off at certain stops, but by the end of it, you're going to know who's rocking with you, you know, from day one. And I think that's kind of the goal. Like, I never had to force friendships. I never had to force anything in my life, man.

It's whoever, Whoever's whoever came on the voyage from day one. Whoever. Whoever is left at the end, last man standing. I mean, those are the.

Those are the guys that I'll shed blood for.

00:10:13CALLER 1

Yeah, that's a great point. And, like, kind of touching back on what you were talking about earlier with the athlete archetype. I found that just, like, walking around regularly in my life, like, constantly getting looked at constantly, people just, like, asking you, like, who are you? Like, what are you doing?

So, like, that athlete archetype definitely goes a long way.

00:10:32HOST

And also, it's insane man, every, everywhere I go, this has happened to me probably ten times a week. Someone will come up to me and ask me if I'm a professional soccer player or an MMA fighter or something in that vein. Man, I'm just like, it's, it's, it's happened so frequently. It's unbelievable.

00:10:52CALLER 1

Exactly. And then if I, if I may, one more question is also. Because eventually I'm about to go on like my hero's journey and travel everywhere, but I do want to come back home in like six months or so, like whenever the time is right. And I was actually, I live in Arizona, so I was about to go to Scottsdale.

And like, I just want to know how do you, how do you go about locking down a place and like, you know, getting that city on lock so that you actually have like, pedigree and whatnot? Because I know you've talked about, like,

00:11:23HOST

yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a great question. It's a common question. So. And this is kind of a natural thing for me.

This is how I've always done it. And this was an intuitive thing. And as I saw how effective it was, I sort of was able to kind of articulate it. What happened for me is anywhere I would go, I would always have an unusual request, like, very unusual, very, very off ticket.

Something that, something that ordinary people wouldn't come in and ask. Like, I'll ask for special, special treatment, special ways of doing things. And one of the things that I noticed is that people that are lethargic in those settings because, you know, in a typical restaurant, man, there's not much commotion.

00:12:05CALLER 1

It's.

00:12:05HOST

You're gonna, you pretty much can predict how it's going to be. There's going to be a couple unruly customers here and there. There's going to be some fits, there's going to be some regulars, etc, but when I go somewhere, I always have special requests, special types of orders and, and people love, love, love to do favors, man. It's not human nature to say no.

And a lot of people are afraid to ask. So, like, I just always ask for special accommodations. And I don't do it in a prick way, but I also, I also compensate for that. So it didn't matter how broke I was or how struggling I was, always, always a good tipper.

Now, it's important to understand there's two, there's two variants of this. There's rich who tip in a needy way that come off like dorks because they're tipping, because they clearly want something in return. I was literally handing out 100 bills like they were breath mints. In my 20s, like someone asked me, like someone asked me for a Mentos.

I would just hand him a hundred dollar bill and then boom, there's your army, dude. I've always said this. I was. Someone asked me years ago in an ama, they said, how do you get out of the rat race?

And I said, you treat the people underneath you like royalty and you treat the people above you like dirt. And what I meant by that was all these servicemen, the valet guys, the bus boys, the chefs and the places, the people that the service workers, brother, if you show them any kind of love in any kind of genuine way, these will do anything for you. Anything for. I mean, that's how I navigated Covid.

Like, Covid never shut down for me. And I was in la. I was in the. I was in the hardest hit metropolis in arguably the world with the COVID lockdowns.

But I just knew every butcher, I knew every chef at all the hot spots, brother. They were sneaking me into the back door every night and cooking me ribeyes and steaks and doing whatever the I wanted every day of the week because of the way I took care of them. And it's a gosh.

00:14:13CALLER 1

And you still.

00:14:14HOST

It's a tiny.

00:14:15CALLER 1

If I'm.

00:14:16HOST

You're talking about a tiny investment for that kind of army, bro. Like, you know, I'm probably tipping those guys total, probably 12, $15,000 a year. But now you got. Now you basically got a private militia behind you.

I'm talking like I could get a valet guy's number and if I need that to fly to Panama to get me a LLC corporation, he'll do it. That type of. So I'm. I'm taking outside the workforce.

Like, I'm. I'm creating jobs. I'm creating little odd deals here and there. I'm like, I'm getting people active outside of the world.

00:14:50CALLER 1

Workplace got you. Okay, so you, like, you pretty much just got to bring adventure into their lives is what it sounds like.

00:14:57HOST

100. I mean, they see you're a strapping young guy, you got a lot of energy, and they want to be a part of it. And also those people are just invisible, man. Who the out here giving love to bus boys and calling the chef out and shaking his hand and telling him he did a great job.

Who's doing that type of. Nobody. Because every. Everyone thinks you get the instant status from knowing the owner.

It's the opposite, my friend. You get all the status from walking into a place you just had 10 bus boys, three hosts, assistant managers greeting you before you even walked up to the podium. What kind of. What kind of ambiance do you think that creates to the people around you?

00:15:39CALLER 1

100. Who is this?

00:15:41HOST

That's what everyone's thinking.

00:15:45CALLER 3

So.

00:15:46HOST

Yeah, man, I've always. I've always treated people that were in a class lower than me, like gods, man. That's something that I. I learned from a very early age.

Anyone who's in a service position or is doing a service for me, man, I elevate them and I treat them like kings. I have always had that policy and that has returned dividend now.

00:16:08CALLER 1

That makes a lot of sense. It does make.

00:16:10HOST

I haven't twisted my brother. And it's a shame. You know, they on these people and they give them a hard time and they give them attitude. Huge mistake.

Yeah.

00:16:23CALLER 1

Actually that's something I noticed. My. Some of my parents would do that. And then it's like, now you just got a gatekeeper that's not never gonna.

00:16:29HOST

Yeah, now you're toast, man. You do that one time, your Persona non grata, like, good luck going back there. They're gonna be hawking loogies in your burgers and shit.

00:16:40CALLER 1

For real. And then I guess.

00:16:41HOST

Yeah.

00:16:41CALLER 1

Last question is. So like when you, when you were first coming up, like, how would you treat. How would you treat dating? Because like, did you consider like women to be like, slowing you down or was it just like.

It was all in a good flow?

00:16:55HOST

So my, my style. I'm a gamer, man. I. I love the game.

So what I, what I understood early on, and this was intuitive to me too, is I always used beautiful women as more chess pieces in the sense that I would never be caught dead in public after a certain age. At some point in my 20s, I got it in my head, I'm like, look, as a man, you don't ever want to be caught dead to rights in public with an ugly chick. That's just a huge mistake. Don't you dare.

Like you can smell smash mids behind closed doors. That's not a problem. No, no one gives a about that. We all.

Every man likes mids at some. At some point. Right?

00:17:39CALLER 1

I. I ain't denying or accepting.

00:17:42HOST

That's what I'm saying. So like, every man will take a mid sometimes behind closed doors and have a good time. It's just no one has to know about it. So my point is, if you're going to be in public and you understand as a man, that your presentation is, is the most important thing you have.

You better have the baddest chicks draped over you, you know? You know what I'm saying? And so, and what I'm saying is, so I would use the pretty women as my money maker because they would, they were like a black hole. They would, the gravitational pull of that would bring in people talking to me, random conversations, who is this?

Et cetera, et cetera. And then, you know, you can do commerce and conduct business from that.

00:18:23CALLER 2

Yeah.

00:18:24CALLER 1

100. Because I've noticed when I'm out with my girl is like, it seems like there's just way more like energy, way more eyes like being put on us. And it's literally just because we're walking around together and we're like two. Just young energetic people.

00:18:37HOST

That's it, man. I mean, there's no, I'll tell you this, there's no deal flow. There's no opportunities, there's no serendipity that's popping up to who have no problem bringing a 200 pound chick out to the pool. Man.

Everyone's, everyone's wincing at you. Everyone's turning a blunt. No one wants anything to do with what you got going on in life. Like, if you're into that, no problem.

Just keep it private and do what you got to do behind closed doors, baby. But like, you got to understand that your presentation as a man is everything. Like, you should always, always be seen with beautiful women in public.

00:19:11CALLER 1

That makes sense because I think it was like you said, you said in the earlier spaces, you said that like your woman is like the pet monkey, like the reflection of you. So if she's not up to par, it's like your dad, I would take

00:19:23HOST

travel around with them, take them on jets. They go to business meetings with you. They're. They're your, they're your representative.

I had no problem with that. Like, if I'm doing a business lunch. You're. Yeah, you're right.

You're goddamn right. You're rocking with me. You're pulling up with me. We're all going.

You know what I'm saying? And so that just, that's just. Bro, that's just instant, instant microwavable credibility off the bat right there. There just.

There just ain't no two ways about it.

00:19:53CALLER 1

Well, and then I'm just ask. Can I ask one more question or do I got to keep it going?

00:19:58HOST

It's a good flow.

00:20:00CALLER 1

Okay, so this is the last question. Then it's like this one. Actually, this is the most important One for me really is, like, when it came to creating your own philosophy, like, how did you go about doing that? Because right now, I mean, like, I watch videos, I'll scroll Twitter, but I know, like, deep down, like, I need to start listening to myself because, you know, we.

We all have the answers that we need inside us. So how did you just go about, like, carving out your own philosophy and really just sticking to your own and.

00:20:27HOST

Honestly, putting myself in situations like an escape artist that no one would know, that nobody next to me would dare put themselves in, and then trying to fucking figure out how I'm going to get out of it. I did that. I pretty much dedicated my entire 20s to putting myself in a straitjacket, put myself in the most challenging gauntlets imaginable, and then figure out on the fly how I'm gonna deal with this. And then, obviously, once you overcome it several times, number one, you build a very, very, very, very unbreakable type of confidence where no one can tell you anything anymore because you're.

You're literally quantum leaping out of situations that would break most men. And then on top of that, you're the wisdom, bro. The wisdom from having to improv everything and improvise and work with, like, little to no resources, all that type of man. It builds a type of character, brother, that just is just very fascinating.

I mean, you're gonna have very fascinating thoughts when your back's against the wall. You're in a gigantic hole, and the only conclusion you can come to is that you got to dig deeper to get out of it. You know, I mean, I was the type of guy where if I was in a hole, sometimes I would know I gotta go down. I'm at the nickel core of the earth.

I got to go down to the earth's mantle to get the out of this. And so I had no problem digging a deeper hole sometimes to get that strong rebound force, that ricochet force out of it. And then I'd always have a story to tell.

00:21:59CALLER 3

Got you.

00:22:00CALLER 1

So, like, when it comes. When you. When it comes to putting yourself in tough situations, like, is that mainly just financial? Just like buying something that you probably can't afford at the time, but just finding a way to get the money together so that you can keep living the lifestyle.

00:22:15HOST

So for me, man, I'll tell you this right now. I've always put the cart before the horse. That's always been my strategy, intuitively, is I always put the cart before the horse. And what I mean by that is I always had to spend Money to earn more money.

I always had to publish something to then make a revision and edit after it was already published. Like I always had to make a promise, then figure out how to deliver it. Know what I'm saying? And like, the thing is, you can hone your talent, you can hone your skills till kingdom come, but you're going to get carved up by a who can make promises and then piece that story together before the delivery.

You're going to lose to that all day, every day and twice on Sunday.

00:22:59CALLER 1

Yeah, that makes funny say that.

00:23:02HOST

I don't. People even can reconcile how many mistakes billion dollar mistakes are being, making, being made every day. But nobody knows about it because these guys move so briskly, they move so abruptly and so briskly that they're actually patching up these multi billion dollar mistakes in a, in a reasonable amount of time to where there's just. The collateral damage just gets kind of suffocated.

00:23:27CALLER 1

Wait, what do you, what do you mean by that?

00:23:29HOST

So there, there's guys that are, that are blowing up monster accounts, there's guys that are managing tons of funds that have, that have literally nuked and everything. But what I'm saying is they move so quickly to repair situations that they're actually able to repair it behind the scenes and still put a encore performance when it comes time to perform.

00:23:52CALLER 1

Oh, so you're saying I know a

00:23:53HOST

guy essentially like I know, I know a, that I grew up with. He lied to his wife about a house that he, that he bought because he wanted to impress her. He was feeling super insecure and he told her he bought a $2 million house and that it needed renovations and they were going to move in six months. He never had the house.

He put the, he put the, he put the lie out there to her. And then he figured out, he's like, all right, I got a six month clock. Now I got to figure out how to pull it off. And he actually pulled it off and he bought it before the six months and she never knew.

And all I'm telling you is there's a lot at the top that those types of games are being played every day.

00:24:36CALLER 1

So it sounds like you just got to put the pressure on and then you'll just find a way to Houdini yourself.

00:24:42HOST

I think it's a worthy attempt for every man. It's just that if you, if you, if you find out that you're not the guy and it's not for you, you can always fall back on the, on the cushion. That's the beauty of it. It's not like you gotta commit to this forever.

But every man should put themselves in the fire at one point or another to see if they're, you know, see what they're made of. And if you're not, you can dust your hands off and go back and apply for a job. No big deal.

00:25:08CALLER 1

That's beautiful right there. That's true. So like, you can really take all the risks you want. And at the end of the day, if it doesn't work out, there's always a cushy job that you could get.

00:25:16HOST

Pretty easy, man. It's just survival. That's why everyone's so up in modern world, bro, because survival has just become way too easy. I mean, you can do it blindfolded.

You don't even. You need a. You can be a troglodyte, you can have a butchered iq. Survival is just a joke in the modern world, which is why everyone's so twisted and you're starting to see all this like, exotic types of experiments and,

00:25:43CALLER 8

huh.

00:25:44HOST

It's, it's. It's. Anyway, man, it's comfort. I mean, the, the animal, the animal ain't wired for.

This is what I will tell you. It ain't. It ain't wired for, for modern civilization. Which is why as a man, it's up to.

You gotta like orchestrate these things up. You got to put these things on yourself. And I'll tell you something, the more that I live every day, the more it confirms to me that stress, stress that you put on yourself is, is 100. The fountain of youth, man.

It just keeps people young. It keeps people moving. I remember maybe 10 years ago, one of my best friends I was growing up with, his mom was elderly. She had him super late in life.

She was. I think she was in her 70s and she, she had health issues and she was. She was kind of falling out and she. She didn't look well and she had a little retirement account.

Anyway, my buddy was running a business and he ran into a major capital jam and he had to go to his mom and he had to tell her to break into a large portion of her retirement funds to bail him out. And she. And she did it. And his payback route didn't end up working out and he ended up going belly up in the company and it ended up dissolving and he went bankrupt and all that.

And he couldn't pay her back in time. And he used to. I remember he used to call me and he'd be like, dude, what do I do? He's like, she's hounding me every day.

She's asking me how it's going, can she get the money back? And I told him because I remember in the moment, it became crystal clear to me this had been going on for like five months, and she was super fucking stressed out about it, and she was kind of tossing and turning. And I jokingly said to him, but in retrospect, it wasn't a joke. I said, you understand?

You just immortalized your mother. And he goes, what do you mean? I said, brother, this is life extension. You extended her life probably by 10 fucking years.

Because this little tiff that she got in with you is the biggest thrill that she's probably had in like 30 years. She was bored. She was bored. She was dying.

She had nothing going on. And you just gave her the roller coaster ride, the thrill of her life. And now chasing you down for this fucking money back, you just literally extended this chick's life. Like, she's gonna.

She's gonna go to live on another 10, 20 years easy from all the fucking stress.

00:28:12CALLER 4

What?

00:28:12CALLER 1

It's like, it sounds crazy, but it actually, that does make a lot of sense. Because, like, isn't it like, when people retire, it's just, they die like six months later because they just don't have to do.

00:28:22HOST

Bro, she was cooked. She had nothing going on. And then all of a sudden she was spry. Like, the way she would call him and the way she would keep meticulous tabs on updates and how things were going, like, she had this brand new life breathed into her spirit.

It was unbelievable. Out of nowhere, like, this woman literally was like resurrected and had a new lease on life. You know what happened? Obliquely, she got birthed a mission.

Huh? She got birthed a mission and didn't even realize it.

00:28:53CALLER 1

So does that, does that mean.

00:28:57HOST

By the way, this ain't a joke. During that time, I think it took it. I think it ended up taking him like four years to get his bearings back. During that four year period, a lot of her health complications actually did disappear.

Dead serious.

00:29:16CALLER 2

What?

00:29:16HOST

Serious is a heart attack.

00:29:19CALLER 1

So it sounds like, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like as long as you just have a mission, not only does it like give you life to, like, do more, but it kind of just. Because actually I talk about this a lot with my friends. It's like if you have a mission, it's like everything kind of just like solves itself by you just focusing on the one thing that actually matters to You. And then it seems like your friend also, too.

He, like, ended up giving his mom a whole mission by chasing his missions. So it's just crazy.

00:29:46HOST

That's exactly what I'm saying. So she. She didn't. Unbeknownst to her, she actually had a mission.

You know what I'm saying? She was in that motorcade, in one of those little side motorcades, and she. She came along for the ride, man, and. And it gave her.

It injected her body. There was a hormonal upregulation response to whatever kind of stress she was going through, and her body didn't capitulate. It fought back, and she got herself in a thriving state. I mean, who.

Like, who would have known, man? Something like that changes the whole game. And now this lady's back on her feet, and now I joke about it. Now I joke about it.

I'm like, dude, you want to make your grandfather immortal? Ask that from. For a massive loan.

00:30:33CALLER 1

It's funny you said, because I'm thinking the same thing. I might need to go ask my grandma for a loan or something, get her out of the house and doing stuff.

00:30:40HOST

Yeah, it's crazy how it works.

00:30:43CALLER 1

But, hey, I really do appreciate this. I don't want to hog up the floor too much, but really, I do appreciate you for all the free game and. Yeah, just stay blessed.

00:31:06HOST

Yo, diogenes. Yo, Brett.

00:31:23CALLER 7

What's up, Brute?

00:31:24HOST

Yo.

00:31:25CALLER 7

Question for you.

00:31:26HOST

Huh?

00:31:27CALLER 7

So in a few spaces, you've talked a lot about masculinity and femininity and, like, masculine attributes, feminine attributes. And the last one, you had a really interesting point about that the masculine attributes actually kind of dead end, and that there's an aspect of femininity that a lot of men fail to integrate. I just want to ask you, can you expound on that point maybe from a different angle?

00:31:50HOST

Yeah. Be more specific. What part of it, when I was talking about the female elements, like ferocity. Like that.

00:31:57CALLER 7

Yeah. And cunning and reciprocity, things like that. Kind of like the. The aspects of, I don't know, just like skull crushing or meatheadedness that a lot of men kind of just adopt as a.

As a shell, which I think is a powerful point. But the aspects of that dynamic balance of the feminine attributes and the masculine. To be like a whole individual.

00:32:20HOST

Yeah. I mean, it's more of a psychological structure. So it's.

00:32:23CALLER 8

It's.

00:32:24HOST

It's not even. It doesn't even get down to the spiritual level in men, but, like, you want to be on the level playing field. Of women as far as you want to be able to be as petty as they are. And you especially, especially when it comes to having long drawn out conversations with women, you have to be able to read between the lines and kind of tease things out.

And you have to be able to, to, to kind of be, have that equal footing with them. Or you're like, when I, whenever I'm in a long lengthy discussion with a woman, I am able to match the energy every time, if not completely dominated, you know what I'm saying? I'm not sitting there with my arms crossed like a ice statue. Just take like getting ready.

That does it. That doesn't fly with me. Like if we're going to do this and we're going to go the psychological way, then you better fucking strap in because I got all the artillery. You do.

Plus some. But that's what I was saying is like in order to get that sort of, I don't want to call it a female brain, but in order to kind of understand it, you have to have been through some pretty fucking crazy turmoil in your life. Like it's that chaotic energy living in that kind of helps you develop that, that pattern seeking ability. It's, it's a survival mechanism, you know what I mean?

Being able to read people, being able to read between the lines. The, I think the biggest, the most important skill on earth is being able to read between the lines. Because I don't, I don't really take things at face value. Whenever someone says something to me or behaves in a certain way instantaneously, I can ascertain what the, that really meant, what's going on underneath the surface, why you said that, where you're coming from, what your ulterior motive is.

I have a rapid ability to discern all that shit. So like I'm just not the type of guy like that's why I said like I'm not. And that's what's funny about it is that is a female perspective. And females in general are the easiest preyed by marketers.

Marketing campaigns work very effective on women. They don't work on me at all. I am the least susceptible dude to any kind of fucking marketing campaign ads. Fucking door to door shit.

I'm a brick wall. It's just not happening. You're not implanting your idea in my head. It's just not happening.

And I've been armored against that by, by playing in that realm. Like I said, man, I think I said on a spaces a couple years ago, it's very valuable to have a couple very explosive, rocky relationships with women at some point in your life. Because when there's a lot of fighting going on, you will naturally pick up on a lot of these skills that will help you. Once you find the right woman and you settle down and have a family, you will be able to integrate that and.

And kind of keep the flames down. You'll be able to fan the flames before it gets out of control.

00:35:18CALLER 7

Yeah, that piece about reading between the lines, I can't. I can't even articulate how valuable that piece is, honestly.

00:35:25HOST

Right. I grew up. If you can't. If you can't see.

If you can't see where people are coming from really, when they say things, because women are never going to be able to tell you what's really going on. Everything with women that's going on that's not going right is a symptom. Right. It's every.

Everything's a symptom. And it's your job as a man. You got to be a fucking bloodhound. You got to be able to sniff this stuff out.

And so it takes a very vast well of experience to draw from in order to understand. Like when a woman's complaining about you leaving your shirts on the floor, it ain't about that. It ain't about the shirts. There's something else that's just.

That's not being addressed, which is why she's harassing you and being nagging and all that shit. Most guys think. Most guys are walking on eggshells around their woman in panic thinking that they got to fucking be careful about leaving their clothes out. It's like, you dumb motherfucker, there's something way deeper going on.

She's complain. She's complaining about that because there's something else that's not being addressed. But here's what's interesting too, man, and I'll give you a sidebar that I think people need to understand about this. When a man is unhappy in a relationship with a woman, men.

It's very hard to make a man tap out. Men don't call uncle very easily whatsoever. Men have a tendency. Men have an un inexplicable ability to stay in misery for a very long time.

Men usually do not leave. Men will sit through absolute hell for years and years and years and not even know the source of it. And one thing I've noticed is that when a man is very unhappy in a relationship with a woman, he will destroy everything in the perimeter of the relationship. In other words, he will start attacking everything but the actual problem itself, it's kind of like a chemotherapy strategy.

He, like, applies radiation to every cell, trying to kill off everything, hoping, hoping the unconscious desires that if he destroys everything else in his life, maybe she'll get the courage to finally get up and leave. Because men, for whatever reason, just can't get up and. And make the first move. It's unreal.

I see guys in their job that are working a job for three years. They want to quit. They don't want to be there, and they will do everything in their power to get fired. They want someone else to do the dirty work for them.

They want the girl to leave. They want the boss to fire them. God forbid they make the first move and be the one that steps out. Yeah, preaching, dude.

You see this pattern everywhere, man.

00:37:59CALLER 7

I was gonna say, in sales, it's like anytime you're talking to someone, you know, the thing we're talking about is not we're talking about. And I do think the ability to say it and call it gets you from point A to B so much more efficiently.

00:38:13HOST

That's what I'm saying. And I'm honestly, brother, I got a PhD in that. Like, if I see. If I.

If I. If I sniff out any kind of. On phone calls, I just call it on the table in three seconds. Yep.

00:38:27CALLER 7

And like you said, skills are made in the ring. There's no question there. So I. I full heartedly agree with what you're saying about just the dynamic of when you're breaking down relationships, getting to what's the thing behind the thing that's just.

That was the biggest feminine value that I learned from growing up with sisters. So I just thought that was a fantastic point, man.

00:38:45HOST

Yeah, I appreciate it.

00:38:46CALLER 7

Thanks, man.

00:38:47HOST

Yep. What's up, ghost rider? Yo. Can you hear me?

Yep.

00:39:08CALLER 3

Yeah, I've heard you make numerous references to athletes getting the yips, and I thought it was interesting on your last space, you said that you're kind of in a rut when you talked about athletes having the yips. You've said that people need to lose all awareness of their technique. What are you doing right now to kind of unwind the bad flow that you're in?

00:39:35HOST

I started throwing more weight on the bar. I started throwing more weight on the bar than what I think I'm capable of achieving, because it shuts down all the doubt. It shuts down any ability for me to kind of override myself and make a blunder before I make the attempt. You know, there's a trick in weightlifting, and I Learned this from the Russians.

This is a pretty, pretty badass fucking trick to psych yourself in the right direction. And I've used this extensively. It's called a dirty bar. So what you'll do is you'll attack a lot of huge lifts.

Let's say I'm trying to snatch £300, right? And I keep missing. And I keep missing. For whatever reason, I'm too aware of my technique.

I'm faking myself out before I take the attempt. So what the dirty bar is you go take a 1.1kg disc and you throw it on one side. So now you got a kilogram extra on one side. Lopsided, Right.

So now you actually got more weight on the bar than what you just tried to take. And the bar is imbalanced by one kilo. Right. Do you know how?

I mean, I'm sure you could take a wild guess. You know how many are successful on the next attempt once they get the dirty bar?

00:40:41CALLER 3

00:40:43HOST

It's astounding how many people hit the next attempt just knowing that they tweaked it and threw it off. Because your body, when you lift the weight, yeah, it's 300 pounds a kilo, you would think is not much percentage wise, but your body's going to go into that overcompensation mode and it's going to throw it up even harder. And that's just the. Dude, that's a beautiful trick because you can apply that to almost anything in your life.

Like when I just. If I have to go heavier, if I'm struggling.

00:41:10CALLER 3

Yep, I totally get it. For a sport more like baseball or golf or tennis, that's more in the mind. What would you do if you were in that position?

00:41:19HOST

That's a great question, man. Because I've had so many D1 pitchers reach out to me. I've even talked to some MLB guys who are talking about the pitching yips. I know that thing is fucking brutal.

You want to tell us what that's like? Are you a pitcher? No.

00:41:33CALLER 3

So I'm not a pitcher, but I overcame the yips in golf. So I was like top 20 in the world at one point when I was a kid. And I got the driver yips to the point where I'm not shitting you. I couldn't keep it on the course and I.

I eventually had to get crazy. Like now when I go play, I'm drinking before the round, I'm drinking during the round. I've never driven it better in my life, but I have a ton of friends that played pro baseball, NCAA baseball, and they said they would do the same. Like they had to get totally out of their head.

No technique whatsoever.

00:42:06HOST

Yeah. And so those days where your, where your strokes would be broken, like literally a week before, you're just shooting lasers, huh?

00:42:13CALLER 3

Right, exactly. And you can do it on the range, you can do it in practice, but as soon as the game rolls around, you're fucked.

00:42:19HOST

So give me an analogy. Is it fair to say the yips is like basically waking up as a boxer and one day your left jab

00:42:25CALLER 3

just don't work 100%? Like a boxer would be missing somebody that's standing still in front of them. And they couldn't tell you why it's happening. They couldn't tell you why it would be happening if they saw their technique on camera.

Like they just can't put their hand on the opponent.

00:42:40HOST

And then they start to get performance anxiety. Correct. Which digs a deeper hole.

00:42:46CALLER 3

Right. Then they start focusing on the technique and then they've lost their entire field or athleticism. Everything,

00:42:56HOST

Bro. That's happened to me probably 3,000 times in my weightlifting career. There's just some days I'll go in there and all of a sudden I just can't time a snatch. And I'm like, what the fuck is this?

Yesterday I was, I didn't have one miss in a session. Today I've missed like 13 in a row. My timing is just horrific. And then you start, I mean, dude, psyching yourself out.

This is an underrated topic. No one ever talks about this, man, how easy it is to psych yourself out of anything before you, before you take an attempt.

00:43:25CALLER 3

Oh, for sure. Well, I got this theory that practicing too much leads to these detrimental performances. Because if you're practicing a ton of. And you're like a world class baseball player, golfer, Olympic lifter, you're ingraining into your brain that you don't have what it takes to get it done off of your natural ability.

And I think that's the most fucked place you can be in.

00:43:47HOST

Yeah, that's a fact, man. That's a fact. I had a coach one time who I was, I was, I was, he wasn't really my coach, but he was kind of like a consultant for me. And he would, he would like look at some of my videos of my lifts and shit.

And he would give me Cliff notes and just kind of opinions. I kind of down scroll scrapped the opinions, but I enjoyed kind of the technical side of it. And one of the, one of the biggest pieces of advice that I ever got from any coach was that you're. The way you practice is the way you perform in the arena.

00:44:17CALLER 3

Yeah, it's not whatsoever.

00:44:19HOST

It's not whatsoever, man. The performance in the arena itself is a completely unique talent and ability.

00:44:25CALLER 3

Well, yeah. So, like in golf, there's a lot of analogies between guys that can't practice on the range, that are great on the course, and then vice versa. And we would refer to them as like a range player where they can stripe it on the range, then they get onto the course.

00:44:39HOST

Yeah.

00:44:40CALLER 3

And they're literally like 20 handicap points worse.

00:44:44HOST

Yup. Guys that just know how to step up in the big moments. Dude, I watched in the French Open, there was a. There was a fucking barn burner tennis match between Sasha Zverev versus Carlos Alcaraz.

It was the final and this was great, bro. This highlights this perfectly. Zverev was getting his ass kicked in the first set by Alcaraz and he was getting frustrated because he couldn't return this dude's serves at all. And this guy is like, he's an all court player, but he's a fucking master on clay and he just can't return serve.

And his father happens to be his coach. So after a return game, when he gets smacked 40 love.

00:45:28CALLER 7

He.

00:45:28HOST

You see him go over to the box and the camera pushes in and you see him gesture to his dad. He's like. He's like. He mouthed him.

He's like, what do I do? Shrugs his shoulders, totally frustrated. And his dad sneers at him, like glowers at him and says, you figure it out.

00:45:45CALLER 1

Right?

00:45:47HOST

He literally says on camera, you figure it out. Guess what happened next fucking game. He breaks the motherfucker serve. Yeah, it was.

It was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. Because if he gave him the technical aspect of it, he wouldn't have been able to just go back into his body and figure it out. And he almost beat him by the way. He ended up scalping the next two sets.

And then he, he's. He's a mental. So he fell apart towards the end, but he was dominating the rest of the match after that comment from his

00:46:15CALLER 3

father, man, that's a whole other conversation in itself. Like, I don't think there's a bigger blessing than having a dad. That's just an to you. If you're in sports, like, there's nothing that creates a stronger DNA in an athlete.

00:46:30HOST

100%, man. You just got to go back and trust your intuition and use those Use those angels over your shoulder to kind of guide you, you know what I'm saying? Work yourself out of that hole, man. Because you could see him.

He was bitching out. He was like, looking for direction. He was looking for guidance from everywhere besides himself. Stop trusting yourself.

And then B, boom. Once that focal point went back in this gotta know got on a huge role.

00:46:57CALLER 3

Hey, one more for you. What went into the decision to go to Scottsdale from la? Because I was in LA as well throughout the pandemic, and I feel like I'm at the point where I need to get out of. Out of SoCal.

But how do you like living in Scottsdale and why did you go there originally?

00:47:13HOST

So a couple. Couple dudes who played for the Arizona Cardinals hit me up to come lift with them. And I had never been to Arizona in my life. And I drove out there one weekend.

It was actually a crazy story. I was hurting bad at the time. And this was right when NFTs were super popular. And I jumped on the wagon and I uploaded a picture of my head as an NFT.

I think I listed it for something like 40 GS or like 36, 000, something like that. Someone. Someone bought it within 24 hours. And I took that bread and I was like, all right, I'm just gonna bounce to AZ for a bit.

And I went to AZ that same weekend and I started lifting with these guys on the Cardinals. And I. Dude, I've never been back since, man.

00:48:03CALLER 3

That's crazy.

00:48:04HOST

And I came out there with just a duffel bag. I had like three pairs of clothes, some shoes, and I've never been back to LA since, brother. It's been three plus years, Chance weekend. And I just figured it out, made it happen, lived in a hotel, worked my way up.

It was crazy too, because when I came to Scottsdale, I remember driving through the first time looking up on Camelback Mountain where all the beautiful houses were. And I remember just kind of logging that in the archives in my head and then, sure as, bro, sure as, you know, three years down the road, I'm up there on that mountain that I saw when I was driving in. And that's what I'm saying, man. Like, I'm just an adaptable creature.

You can throw me anywhere and I'll. I'll scale my way to the top pretty quickly.

00:48:51CALLER 3

Yeah, I hear you. I think there's something to that warm weather, though. And I. I get why people would go there from la, bro.

00:48:58HOST

I love the dry heat, man. I'm like the Only guy outside during the day. Everyone's. All the snowbirds leaving, man.

I love the. It's like 115 today. I think I've been. I slept.

I'm like outside eight or nine hours a day.

00:49:11CALLER 3

Yep, I get it.

00:49:14HOST

Yep.

00:49:15CALLER 3

All right, man. I appreciate it.

00:49:29HOST

Yo, joel. Yo. Yo, Joel.

00:49:41CALLER 5

Yo, Brute. What's good? I just got a question about self talk, especially monitoring what you should really listen to. And I remember you mentioned kind of self talk and maintaining that and telling you the right things is super important.

So how do you go about installing the right things in your brain whilst also kind of throwing away the. The is only going to send you off track?

00:50:08HOST

Good question. So I've kind of actually revised that theory on the fly. And I figured there's a. There's a superior way to even the self talk.

Okay, look, your. Your mind and your thoughts are completely uncooperative. It is a. Anyone who tells you can control your thoughts, you can.

They're lying to you. No, no. Can truly control their thoughts. That's.

That's just a complete myth, I'll tell you right now. But I think most people. Think most people have been fooled by the modern world into believing that your. All battles are battles that are won by rationality.

As if you score points and you tally up the scoreboard by being on the correct side of things. And let me tell you something, you are going to get your ass handed to you by somebody else who makes their thoughts yield to their emotions. And I think that's the superior way. That's the way I've been experimenting with my whole life.

And I recently was able to put it into words. I make my thoughts submit to my emotions. My emotions fucking control everything. Because the rational side of things, brother, there's really no payoff there.

It's a very, very, very, very highly irrational world.

00:51:29CALLER 5

Yeah. Yeah, I hear that. I feel like you can talk your way out of things with the. The pure logic.

Sometimes it's best just double down on those impulsive feelings. But also kind of separating the degeneracy out of the, you know, the. The more positive side of things.

00:51:46HOST

Yeah, man. I mean, I'm just. Dude, I'm an emotional creature, man. Always have been.

Always wore my heart on my sleeve. Always been passionate about. I was a sore sport growing up and. And I've.

I've just. I've always embraced it. I don't. My thoughts are.

Are very stormy, bro. Like I. I can barely even put together a coherent thought in my own head throughout the day. But Yet I know how to make the right moves.

As soon as I get into the arena, something snaps on and it just becomes automatic for me. And I think that's why. I think that's what's made me so good in the arena. That's why I flourished.

Because I really, really don't try to sit there and have clarity of mind. I never. I don't even have clarity of mind. I do have clarity of body though.

My body is extremely healthy and strong. And I have a strong hunch that the vitality and the health and the spirit that I have within my body kind of feeds and pipes the intuition into my head. Makes things easier for me. But like, I don't.

I don't play plan anything. I don't pre plan thing. I don't ever have to mold things over in my head a second time. Anytime I'm at something, I know in a snap second whether I want to do it, whether it's the wrong thing for me.

Everything I do, I make a decision in a snap judgment moment in time. And I don't doubt it.

00:53:07CALLER 5

Would you say a lot of that comes from. Because I was going to link it back to kind of childhood. Because everyone says that's where you're kind of heavily programmed from. Would you say you can kind of mold that in a sense just through straight experience?

Like you do get that intuition through being in certain scenarios that, you know, in a split second you can say, okay. You can just assign labels to certain things going on and navigate it that way.

00:53:30HOST

100. It's that and it's also the ability that. I don't believe I can make mistakes. I can up grandly.

I can up better than anybody in the world. But I know that it's like fucking. What's his name? William Blake said.

I think he said man is dirigible, which means man is steerable. I know I can fucking steer the ship. And sometimes, you know, sometimes I got to fucking turn a battleship around with a carved wooden or. And it's going to take me a second, but I'm going to keep fucking paddling.

And I believe that every mistake you make can be righted. That's why I said the truth is malleable. Because you might have up now, you might be in a pinch now, you might be in a hole now. But that doesn't have to be true.

Six months from now you can fix that. You can change history. So if you operate from the premise that everything you do, you can figure out how to turn it into a victory, then it really doesn't matter what the fuck you do, right? You can make snap calls.

You can make snap judgments like you're flying a blackbird going Mach 6. What's the difference? You're going to adjust on the fly. You're going to adjust on the fly.

You're going to fine tune your craft as you're going, and you're going to figure it out as you, as you just keep going forward. And so I've just always had that bull rush kind of matador mentality where I'm just going to keep going into the like, kind of like Hunt for Red October where you just go into the head of the nuke. That's always been my style. I'm like a moth to a flame.

I see flame, boom, I rush to it. I've been like that with opportunity. I've been like that with everything. And then you don't really have to worry about making the right moves because everything's the right move.

When you live from intuition.

00:54:55CALLER 8

Yeah.

00:54:57HOST

What the is everyone so worried about, man? Calculating decisions? Life don't work like that. Life doesn't reward your little calculations.

And if it does and you end up winning big off your little calculations, your spirit's going to be dead. What, like, what kind of life is that? So now you got, now you're sitting on a huge bag of money, but you're spiritually lobotomized. I don't want that.

I told you, bro. Money problems are an energy problem. I don't give a what anybody says. Like, your style, the way you, the way you deal with your finances, the way you deal with anything all comes back to where your energy flow is.

If you have high energy, you're gonna hate those little cushy 10 APR returns every year. You'll even probably hate 30, 40%. You're gonna want to get in the arena and get your hands dirty every day and hunt for your kills. That's what high energy people do.

That's why some people just love sales. They love that commission, you know, being reliant on commission because it feeds their spirit. And they know that if they're on that fixed income, they would slack off and lose their spirit.

00:55:57CALLER 5

Yeah, I hear that. I'm in a similar position. So I have a. I run an E Commerce brand, but it's kind of soul draining.

It's a lot of time in front of a laptop. It's very systematical. There's not really too many ups and downs. I tried to counteract that with just constant traveling.

So at least I have some kind of entropy going on, but yeah. Really? Yeah, there's definitely something missing.

00:56:19HOST

That's a good style. I know a bunch of dudes that are doing that type of like trying to. I mean, look, man, there's like very few solutions to this type of man. It's oftentimes spending money and then trying to figure out how you can keep up with it.

But, you know, you understand the paradox, right? People spend more money when they don't have any. Yeah, people always spend more bread than they even have when they don't have any. And when people do have money, every, every expenditure feels like a paper cut.

You just feel like you're dying by a hundred fucking cuts when you have it. But when you don't have it, that's when people are splurging and going over the top. Pretty interesting how the psychology works.

00:56:59CALLER 5

Yeah, for sure. Would you say this kind of mindset is an innate thing or do you think it is a skill you can develop over time?

00:57:09HOST

I think it's innate. I think the skill can definitely be developed, like in the sense that you can absolutely get better. No, here's the thing. Finances, I think are locked in genetically.

Like if you're born cheap, you're probably going to die cheap. That's just as terminal as fucking cancer to me. I've never seen a cheap person become not cheap. If you've, if you've always been free, free flowing, freewheeling, fucking loose with your money, I mean, you're probably always going to die that way as well.

I don't think I'd have never really seen people make provisions on that end of it. But you can put yourself in more challenging situations where you can start. You gotta basically make your feeder wider, like whatever's feeding your business. Like those types of guys who are cheap and who struggle to kind of spend, those guys would be much better off throwing a bunch of different arms in their business to kind of make some, add some chaos to the mixture, you know what I mean?

Like a guy who's, who's a control freak and who's working by himself would probably be better off grabbing a huge team to help him out. Throw yourself in like a leadership position. Yeah, you need, you need some kind of stimulus that's gonna overwhelm the current situation in order to make a change. That's the only way anything ever gets.

Anything ever happens. Yeah.

00:58:24CALLER 5

So you'll double down on drastic change. Just implementing something that might not even make sense. Just kind of kick up some dust.

00:58:31HOST

Kick up some dust. See where it settles. And like I said, what's the downside of it? I mean, if you fail, we all know in modern worlds, I mean, it's just so easy to cruise by.

It's easy to cruise by. Anyone can do it.

00:58:47CALLER 5

Yeah, for sure. I do have one last question. It's a little less relevant, but I remember on a spaces way back, you said you did some Muay Thai. I wondered if you could touch on that, if that kind of taught you any lessons or.

00:58:59HOST

Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was, I was super broke. I was, I was 18, and, and I come from a, from a long line of prize fighters in my family.

I got my, one of my grandfathers, one of my uncles, my dad himself, all boxers. And so I picked it up from an early age. Like I was, I was doing Dutch kickboxing way before it was even in the UFC. I was learning that shit when I was like seven.

So when I was 18, my brother was also a very talented fighter. We would do these garage fights. And then I went to Europe when I got kicked out of my house, I, I went there with a woman and I was playing high stakes poker over there in Monaco, and I would go to Italy. Italy has like, Italy had a really, really, really subterranean fight culture.

Like 10 years ago, people don't realize, like MMA, Jiu Jitsu and huge over in Europe. And I would do smoker fights, which were basically unsanctioned, basically no rules. I mean, you can't kick people in the balls and spit on them, but pretty much anything else flies. I had 12, 12 smoker fights when I was super young and they paid horribly, man.

I mean, at the time it was good money for me. It was like 2,500 bucks for a fight.

01:00:11CALLER 5

Yeah.

01:00:12HOST

And I co. And I coasted off my athleticism, by the way. I was pretty lazy in training and that, that's. I.

Dude. There was an interesting little side theory, I'll give you. I, I have a theory that the guys that like the, the tough men of history, the, the mountain men, the fucking frontiers men, the guys who fucking literally discovered Colorado, Wyoming, those fucking mountain back motherfuckers, those guys were the toughest motherfuckers on earth. And if you read the lore and you read the literature about the types of shit that they experienced, they would get into tons of fucking fist fights with people in their, in their camps and caravans.

I venture to tell you that those who were not trained in MMA whatsoever would whoop the fuck out of any modern, skilled fucking MMA fighter because they just had. The conditions of life were so different back then. Life was so tough. It was so hard.

Scrabble that there was just an innate toughness in you from birth that was instilled. And I have a feeling that's why society is sort of slingshotting. The other way is because society is so easy that now you're starting to see the popularity and rise of mma, which is basically just a proxy to try to make conditions tough as they were in history. So those tough Mountain, bro, I promise you would knock the fucking block off of a modern MMA fighter with zero fucking fight training.

They were just so fucking tough and had that natural strength that you just can't even get in a gym. It was more of like a fighting spirit. Does that make sense? Like, there was a spiritual component to it.

They had so much heart that you're just not gonna knock this guy out. He's just gonna keep coming at you until he takes you down.

01:02:02CALLER 5

Yeah, there's a certain level of grit that comes with that, for sure.

01:02:05HOST

That comes with that environment. And so, like, when I was training, that was the. That's why I stopped training, because I realized this is just a past, this is a clone. I'm trying to clone something that's not even there.

Like, I'm trying to fabricate this environment and get this skill set that isn't even really applicable to the modern realm. So I kind of got out of it. But, yeah, bro, I was lazy in training, I was chain smoking. I would run a very short camp, and I was whooping ass in there.

01:02:38CALLER 5

Yeah, bro, I'll let someone else take the. Take the floor here. I appreciate it.

01:02:52HOST

Probably got 200 questions. Yo, bow tie analyst. Hey, Brute.

01:03:03CALLER 4

What's good, man?

01:03:05HOST

What's up?

01:03:06CALLER 4

First off, I've been consuming your content for the past couple of years, and you've really helped me just kind of get my shit together and move things in a positive direction. So I appreciate you, brother. I just wanted to talk about, you know, I've been reading the Elon Musk biography by Walter Isaacson, and it's been pretty interesting. It kind of just talks about how he's basically taken just a flamethrower to his brain and, you know, pushing himself and his team on these big objectives and just making them tangible by just relentlessly pushing, frankly.

But his relationships with women, I think, are super interesting. You know, he's got kids with his Neuralink executive. He's got kids with Grimes, kids with his first wife. He has a second wife that he got Divorced to twice in there.

And it seems like a lot of the men at the top basically have Harims, whether or not it's like explicitly or implicitly in that. And I just wondered what your thoughts on that type of relationship were. Like, does that work? Is that like something practical once you have so much money?

Just kind of, you know. I know you said that you wanted to have 10 kids. Tate obviously is, you know, very successful, I think, in this regard and just wanted to get your take.

01:04:14HOST

Yeah, that's a good question, man. I. I think. I don't know that Musk.

Did Musk actually attempt that configuration?

01:04:22CALLER 4

I don't know that he formally attempted it, but he's super pro having kids. And. Yeah, I mean, he has five kids with his first wife. They got divorced.

He married and divorced Tallulah twice. His Neuralink executive has been a close to intellectual companion of his over the years. And he just, you know, professes his love of kids until.

01:04:43HOST

Yeah, I mean, dude, that type of. That type of mind want to have kids. The type of mind that guy has is so incompatible with any kind of modern relationship.

01:04:51CALLER 2

He just.

01:04:51HOST

He can't. He can't give anybody any attention. That's the problem. This guy is like such a.

So maniacally, monolithically obsessed with his fucking dream that he just literally can't. He doesn't have time for anybody. But I'll tell you this as a side note and then I'll get back to it. I saw there was a post a year ago, and I used to think Elon was a cuck, but I don't think so.

There was a post of these blurbs that ex girlfriends had said about Elon, these kind of like iconic little blurb quotes. And one of them was hard as fuck. And that's when I knew Elon was actually the guy. I think one of his exes, and I forget who said I could say anything to him while we were fighting and he would be completely unfazed.

Something. Something along the lines of that. And I just remember sitting there and I was like, dude, that is exactly like, that's it. There's nothing that.

No more to be said about anybody. Like, if you could put that on an epitaph and you could get something fucking engraved on your fucking tombstone, you'd want something similar to that. Like, this is a guy who's seen it, seen it all, done it all, been it all. So I just thought that was hard as fuck.

And I was like, he's probably is the fucking guy. Even though he's had tumultuousness and like you said, he's had fucking several divorces and splits and tris, like blow up and shit. But about the. The harem thing, I don't know that shit really works, man.

Foreign. I'm skeptical. I'm very skeptical.

01:06:20CALLER 4

Yeah, that makes sense. That makes.

01:06:22HOST

What are your thoughts on it?

01:06:27CALLER 4

To be completely honest with you, brother, over the past couple of years, you know, I've kind of improved my life a lot. I'm not like a multi million or anything, anything, But I'm making, you know, mid five figs a month and doing pretty well for myself. And as I've become more successful, as I, you know, dress better, as I get in better shape, I've noticed that the way women respond to me, you know, I mean, once they find out you're moderately successful together, frankly, they kind of throw themselves at you, you know. So I could see how, like, a lot of guys at the top are getting a ton of play and no one else is really getting anything.

I think one of the biggest realizations I've had is that, like, the lifestyle that you can provide a woman is how she feels about you. And like, the way that you feel about a woman's hotness is how she feels about the lifestyle that you can provide for her. And I think that's super underrated, especially as, like, the economy just gets worse and it gets harder for people to survive.

01:07:21HOST

See, I've been kind of thinking the opposite. I think I've been telling guys to get the fuck out of here with the breadwinner shit, even though I happen to be in that style. I just. I just think, bro, women, a lot of women that I know are just.

Are outbreading a lot of men in a lot of ways. There's like a schism in the culture. Like women. I don't think women really have financial issues in the modern society.

They're kind of killing it, whether they're. Whatever platforms they're using. I mean, women are doing all right on that end. But yeah, obviously, dude, at the extremes, like the right end of the bell curve, of course, then you're going to have those.

Those configurations. But I also think that the lifestyle, it's a. Here's how I see men and women. Okay?

We basically like women for their looks and women, I think women, you know, people say women are irrationally in love. I think women are very rational with the way they love a man, because I don't believe women ever actually love a man. It's always something around you that they love. Does that make sense?

Like, women love the things that are going on around you. It's not necessarily you. And I've kind of zeroed in on this and that goes kind of hand in hand. That kind of dovetails with your point about the, about the lifestyle.

But yeah, bro, I mean, women don't. Women have zero clue about scale, dimension like that. Like, they don't understand the creation of money whatsoever. So like you'll, you'll upgrade a woman's lifestyle.

You, you can literally take a woman out of the workforce who grew up in like a lower caste society, and you can start throwing her on private jets and taking her around the world. She'll start blowing money that same day. Like she was born that way.

01:09:13CALLER 3

True.

01:09:14HOST

She'll start blowing money like it was like she was like she had this thing the entire time. There's really no appreciation for it. I'll also tell you something interesting. Women don't have the ability to really process cash itself.

Like, the numbers don't mean anything to a woman. Tell a woman you have 3 million, tell a woman you have 30 million. They don't, they don't care. They don't really understand the purchase power or like the relativity of like what you can really do with 30 million, what you can really do with 3 million.

And I know this because when I used to live in Vegas, I would have huge wins and I'd be with like a girlfriend or whatever, and I'd go to my vault and sometimes I'd have to pull out a million dollars in cash and actual cash bricks. I'd have to go down to the casino floor to place a bet and she'd go down with me and I had to stuff it into a duffel and carry it down. And every time that vault opened, I experimented with this every which way. There was never any gasp or their eyes never popped out of her.

They didn't give a. Like you show a woman a million dollars in physical paper, they're just like, oh, that's cool. Women only. Only.

But you show a man, you show a man a million dollars in paper, this motherfucker's gonna be freaking out. Like, most people have never seen that kind of money for sure because they understand what you can do with that. Women though, appreciate and respect the conversion of the cash. So, like, they only understand the Ferrari.

Like, show them the Ferrari, then they're bedazzled by it. But you. But tell them that Ferrari was 260 GS in cash. They don't Give a.

They don't think you're cool. It doesn't turn them on. They don't give a. Until it's converted into something like a diamond or a ruby or a topaz or a Ferrari or a crib.

Like that's the only way they can understand the power of money is that when it converts, the cash itself is totally irrelevant to their brain.

01:11:09CALLER 4

That makes sense.

01:11:09HOST

And if you know my. If you know my, like my thesis on a lot of things, you'll see how that coincides with my philosophy in a lot of ways about spending, about spending more to earn more, about spending to gain.

01:11:27CALLER 4

That's fair. Thank you, bro. I appreciate you, brother,

01:11:41HOST

Y'. All. And viral. Come on, baby.

Come on, baby. Yo, Sean boy.

01:12:05CALLER 2

Yo, what's up, bro?

01:12:07HOST

What's up, man?

01:12:08CALLER 2

Yo, so I'm in this situation right now where it's pretty nuclear with, with my girl.

01:12:14CALLER 3

We.

01:12:15CALLER 2

I'm 24, I got a seven month old son. And you know, things were great when she was pregnant and whatever, you know, she would do anything for me at my behest. But nowadays it's like we absolutely hate each other. You know, it's like insults, toxic as.

It's pretty honestly crazy. And her only other option is to like. I mean, she's got nothing, you know, she's. She's got nothing.

So her only other option is like if I kick her out, you know, she's going to like 100 miles away to live with her dad or whatever and taking my kid. I don't know what the to even do. I know you have a son with a previous relationship, so I was just kind of seeing, you know, what your insight on that would be.

01:13:05HOST

Yeah, I think this is super common. You said your baby's what, seven months old?

01:13:08CALLER 2

Yeah.

01:13:09HOST

Yeah. So tell me if I'm wrong. I'm assuming that you're not domesticated in the sense that you're probably the type of guy who can't sit there and like be a second mom. You're not trying to fucking.

01:13:24CALLER 2

Exactly, dude. Exactly.

01:13:26HOST

And that's probably the. The source of the friction, correct?

01:13:29CALLER 2

100%, dude.

01:13:31HOST

And she wants, and she probably wants a ton of.

01:13:34CALLER 2

Of help. Yes. He always complains about it and I'm always like out there trying to get a bag, like doing me, making music, doing like how I was before. Just all like all this happened.

01:13:48HOST

Yeah, man. Yeah. I mean this is just the male instinct, bro. God bless the who are domesticated because I've gone through the same thing.

And I'll tell You. This. It is like the natural male impulse is like, you're not a second mom.

01:14:01CALLER 2

Yeah.

01:14:02HOST

You're just not. You can't do it. Like, I could not sit there and play with baby blocks for five hours a day. I just can't do it.

I'll blow my brains out. Yeah.

01:14:10CALLER 2

Like, I, like. I mean, I see my son every day, and I. I love, like, holding them and, like, bonding. But, like, after.

After, you know, like, a while, I'm like, all right, I. I really gotta go. I got to do. And it's just like, are you a

01:14:26HOST

chaotic in the sense that your train of thought. Does it annoy you when, like, you're in a train of thought or you're in a flow, you're in a rhythm, and then you get asked for help. You gotta break. You got to break the rhythm.

Go help out. Go hold the baby. Now you're. You feel like your whole momentum and all your train of thoughts been.

Been fucking yes, 100%.

01:14:46CALLER 2

That's why, like, bro, honestly, like, I got my phone. I got her specifically, like, fucking muted. Like, I don't want no interruptions to my shit. I just.

I want to, like. Just because, like, that shit bothers me. Oh, I got to drive somewhere. I got to.

We got to do some shit or whatever. I'm just like, nah.

01:15:07HOST

So let me tell you something. That works wonders, all right? And it's not a big investment, but you're probably gonna have to do it, at least give it a shot. If you take one or two hours out of your day just for quality time, and you literally put your phone the.

Away. You go hang out with the baby. You go hang out with her, have a conversation, be present for the one or two hours. You have 22 hours left in the day to do whatever the you got to do, and that's all it's going to take.

And I promise you, the complaining and the bitching and the moaning and whatever will come to it to a screeching halt, but you got to be willing to put that time in every. It should be every day, brother. It really should. I mean, because I'm saying that's what.

That's what you signed up for. And I think that, like, look, it's no secret that when babies are that young, they really do need their mother way more than they need you. I don't know if. I don't know if she's breastfeeding, if she is or isn't.

It doesn't matter. I mean, she's super dependent upon her mom. For survival right now. So, yeah, she's gonna have her most of the time.

But this is the problem about two people back to back trying to take on the world by themselves, man. I mean, you need like, does she have sisters? You have family that you can incorporate and come over and give her a helping hand? Because, dude, it is stressful as on them in the beginning especially because they're just not feeling safe and they're, you know, their hormones are up.

They need to feel that extra sense of safety and protection from you. So if you're too focused on your mission and you can't, and you can't take that time to just show her that you still care and you're still there and you're still rocking with her, they're gonna. You're gonna awaken that beast that I talked about on that last spaces. And then she's just gonna.

She is gonna come at you, brother, every minute of every day and make your life and her life a miserable fucking hell. And then you know who gets dragged in the crosshairs? The innocent one, kid. And then it becomes a strain and a stress on them because they sense everything and they know when you guys have tension.

So for the fucking sanity and care of your child, you're going to have to fucking. I mean, I hate to put it this way, but you're going to have to grow up a little bit and put that time into it, brother. Like, you really don't have a choice because this is what you signed up for. You can't just leave her to take care of a fucking kid because that's going to really fucking hurt the kid.

01:17:24CALLER 2

Yeah, like, I mean, and I'm sure

01:17:26HOST

I know what you're going through, bro. Like, you guys are probably hating. Are you guys sleeping in the same bed? Nah.

Nah, that's what I thought.

01:17:35CALLER 1

Yeah.

01:17:35CALLER 2

We hate each other, bro. I'm telling you, like he's. I mean, the kraken is awakened, bro. Like you were talking about in the last stream.

I think I. I requested to speak because I was like, damn perfect moment because I wanted to tell you this.

01:17:48HOST

Yeah, bro, you dropped. You dropped a stick of dynamite in a volcano. Yeah, bro, that's what you did. And I'll tell you this.

It's all you. You're. You are literally the leader. She's going to follow your lead, so you're setting the example every time you shun her off.

And I'm. Bro, I'm sure. I can almost imagine it when she hands you the baby or asks you for a Favor. You're probably fucking rolling your eyes.

Yeah, yeah. Your body language is all fucked up. You're trying to show her you don't want to fucking be there. She's.

She's bothering you. You gotta. You gotta clean that up, man. You gotta clean that up.

She needs your support, man. I mean, you put a baby in her.

01:18:25CALLER 2

Yeah, yeah, dude, I, I know it's me and I know it's like my fault that she's acting this way because, I mean, before the baby was here, I mean, it was totally different. And I mean, yeah, it was way, way worse when he was a newborn, but like, I mean, so you know

01:18:41HOST

what you got to do? You got to go back to. You got to go back to the oil painting because women are futuristic creatures. So what you got to do is you got to go back to painting that picture of the future and what's popping and what's coming up.

Keep her informed. Like, what kind of deals are you working on, brother? I am telling you, women just love the communication of knowing what's going on. If you start getting distant while you have a baby with a woman and you're obsessed with your mission and you're like this, she's interrupting my mission.

I don't want to be around her. Dude, you are going to fucking incinerate everything to a fucking cigarette. But don't do that. Go back to the, like.

Women need the future fucking painted for them. You got to like, get back to that. Show her what's coming. Show her what's.

What she can look forward to what's ahead for you guys. Like, you got to fucking start painting those fucking pictures again, man. And it's. I know it's fucking tough because I'm the same fucking way, man.

I like to play. My mission comes before everything, even myself. Yeah. But I've.

I've had to step up big in the last two months, brother, and sit down and have these conversations and just be present and, and then get back to my. And that's literally all it takes though, to make them satisfied, Give them the two hours and be super expressive and communicative and tell her what's going on because that's going to give her the safety and she's going to feel protected. And then guess what? She's going to get the.

Off your ass. She's feeling super abandoned right now. Like she's thinking any minute you're gonna ditch her and leave her with a seven month old. That's.

That's exactly what's going on. So obviously a new mother, the claws and the fangs are gonna come out because you're. You're essentially threatening her young. You're threatening her cubs in the den without even being aware of it.

So you're gonna have to go back. And it's tough for guys like us, man. Like, we're the. The wheat.

My Achilles heel has always been the comfort side of it because I'm so maniacal. I'm such a crazy on this other end of the spectrum that it can make people feel unsafe. And so you got to go back to the safety aspect. And it does.

But real quick, bro, it doesn't even matter if you like her or don't like her. I'm saying you got to do this for the. For the benefit of your child.

01:21:02CALLER 2

Yo, can you hear me?

01:21:07HOST

Yo, I guess we'll keep it pushing.

01:21:18CALLER 2

Yo, can you hear me, bro?

01:21:19HOST

Sean, I'm here, man.

01:21:21CALLER 2

All right. Yo, I don't know what happened, bro. I just had, like, a weird connection issue. But, yeah, it's just.

It's harder to, like, want to do that and invest that time after. Like, it's just the way that, you know, after the Kraken's been released, it's like, what? Like, I don't even want to. Like, I don't even want to do it.

01:21:39HOST

I know you don't. I know you don't. I know exactly what you're going through. You don't want to do it.

You want to go the opposite direction every time she pisses you off and upsets you and causes inflammation to your situation. You want to go the opposite direction to teach her a fucking lesson. I know you want her to suffer until she submits. That's.

That's a tactic that a lot of use. They want. They want a woman to be absolutely miserable and in the pits of hell so that finally they just give up and are like, I surrender. Let me tell you something, that ain't happening with a seven month old.

That's the problem. You can wear. You can wear a chick down when you don't have kids with her, but as soon as you get offspring, brother, she will fight like a possum until the end of time and wear your ass down until everybody's destroyed. And that's the scary thing, too.

01:22:30CALLER 2

Yeah, bro, it's like, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's just straight up like, you know exactly what's going on. But I was gonna ask, like, if you know who Brandon Carter is. Okay, well, he said the same thing about making two hours out of your time. Like, Tops to spend with your woman, just to like, keep them sane.

But I feel like even after that too.

01:22:54HOST

Do you know how bored, you know how bored a woman is when they have a newborn and they literally have to sit around all day feeding her, clothing her, changing her diapers, and they get bored to tears. So their mind, Their mind starts twisting and warping reality and they start hyper focusing on nonsense. And that's a fa. And that's a failure of leadership on your part because her mind should not be going there.

You should be getting in front of the problem before it becomes a problem. And the only reason why I'm pushing this so hard on you is because here's what's going to happen. Women will start to resent the fuck out of the kid if you become a fucking prick. So she's going to start hating your fucking son or daughter.

Like that. That's. That's a real fucking thing. They start to despise them.

Because you're a fudgeing. You're an image cast. You're a reverse mirror of the baby. And you don't fucking want that.

Then she's going to start mistreating her or him unconsciously. It's not even going to be conscious. There's going to be neglect. She's gonna want.

She's gonna want to tap out. So like the dude, the ripple effect of this, it ain't like, it ain't a joke.

01:23:58CALLER 2

Yeah, and it's crazy too, because you say that my son, she always has said, like once he started developing that he looks exactly like me. So it's just like I could imagine she would just resent him because it makes, you know, just remembers, like me from looking at him.

01:24:14HOST

That's exactly what's gonna happen. And it's all gonna get transplanted on the kid. I mean, bro, this is literally the start of generational damage. Like, this is exactly how this happens.

Dudes have a kid, you guys are all high on it during the pregnancy. Kid comes, guy doesn't want to be around because he can't sit there around baby screams all day, wants to get back on the mission, wants to get back to work. Starts neglecting his chick. Then his chick starts inflicting all the trauma onto the baby in retaliation to the man without even realizing it.

Because that's what. That's how incendiary and how fiery women are. Their flame is so insane and out of control. Because this isn't.

This isn't a lighter brother. This is a forest fire you're playing with. So everybody's gonna get burned. She's gonna burn down the house, you, the baby.

Everyone has to die with women. When women are like suffering and they're not getting the help they need and support, they're gonna burn every to the floor. And you know why that is? That's the biological response that if they create that much chaos and that much hell for everybody, maybe a counter force will come in and see what's going on and come save them.

Then you get the damsel in distress archetype and you don't want to go down that road. Even if you guys are done, like, you still have an obligation to the kid. That's the way I see it, bro.

01:25:35CALLER 2

Oh, man, you like, you're making me want to just like go back to my crib.

01:25:39HOST

You gotta go back right now, dog, and show that woman some love, man. I'm dead serious. And sit down with her and tell her what is up. Because her mind is gonna go to some really dark places, brother.

And you don't want women getting their program from any. Their programming from anybody but you. Especially in a trying time like. Right.

Especially in a trying time like this, man. You gotta go man up, go have a sit down with her and rectify this, bro. Now. Like, not tomorrow.

You need to go handle this now.

01:26:09CALLER 2

Yeah, like, I've been spending like way too much time away, like, and she even says it, but I'm like, yo,

01:26:17HOST

22 hours a day to yourself, bro. That's more than a enough.

01:26:22CALLER 2

Yeah.

01:26:22HOST

You know what I'm saying? This is like some. This is more of like a Peter Pan, I don't want to grow up childish thing of like, you're making it seem like it's an inconvenience to you, but it's not that big of an investment. But it's.

It's all communication, dude. You have to let inform her like, what the is going on. And like I said, women are futuristic. They live in the future.

So if they don't see anything that's coming or they don't, they're not planning anything or they have no hope for what's going to. What's to come. They're going to fucking burn you to the ground. So get your fucking easel out.

Get those fucking paintings out, baby, and start fucking. Start making some fucking Picassos.

01:27:01CALLER 2

Yeah, bro, I'm about to catch up right now. I'm about to probably head back there and. And just chill like. Damn, bro.

Like, I needed. I just really needed to talk to someone who actually has been through this. So I really appreciate your insight, brother.

01:27:14HOST

Best of luck to you, man.

01:27:16CALLER 2

Yeah, Pe.

01:27:29HOST

Yo, full day.

01:27:30CALLER 1

Yo, bro, what's up?

01:27:32HOST

Yo, yo, yo, what's up, man?

01:27:33CALLER 2

Hey, I heard you talk.

01:27:39HOST

What did you say? Yo, I can't hear you.

01:27:56CALLER 8

We're worrying and learning about different problems.

01:27:59HOST

Can you hear me now? I can start over.

01:28:03CALLER 8

Yeah. All right. I was talking about how. Before you brought up how.

How you talked about worry and problems in your life and how you just need to, like, pick up more problems to, like, get rid of the worry.

01:28:20HOST

100

01:28:22CALLER 2

and.

01:28:22CALLER 8

Okay, so what do you think about being a jack of all trades? Because I find myself, like, I've been that person my whole life. Like, I really could never focus on one thing. I have to have, like, 50 things going at one time.

It's just to. It's, you know, be at peace.

01:28:37HOST

It's the holy grail of archetypes. Because experts, people who are specialized in one thing, they. Their only mission in life is to come in and rescue a jack of all trades who ran into a problem. You understand?

Because specialists. Specialists, there's no. There's really no risk involved at that point because they've mastered their craft. So they usually have, like, a standalone business.

They're usually doing consulting, etc. They're troubleshooting. Specialists are out there troubleshooting problems that jack of all trades are running into. That's their fucking client base.

So if you get yourself in a jam, you. You know, you can always hit up an expert if you don't know how to move forward. You know what I'm saying? But they don't have that latitude because they're the expert.

So it's the guy who's painting shots and. And being wild and in chaos and throwing around. He's the who runs into the issues that the expert has to come in and solve for you. So it's the.

It's a peak architect. You're in the. You're in the power position. But I'll tell you this.

I'll tell you this for a fact, man. Look, you are as a man. It doesn't matter what anybody tells you. You.

You're. You are measured as a man, by society, in society's eyes, by the caliber of your problems and not your accomplishments. No one really gives a. About your accomplishments.

They care about the caliber of problems that you have to solve.

01:29:55CALLER 8

Type. The cow type. Yeah.

01:29:58HOST

The caliber of the problems. You know what I'm saying? Dude, I saw an interview with Dana White, one of the hardest interviews I've ever seen. Motherfucker I didn't know this when, before he started, before he was the CEO of UFC, he was 40 million in debt trying to launch that company.

And the motherfucker sitting across from him said, how did you manage that? How did you walk through life knowing that you were 40 million in debt? He said, it didn't fucking matter because I knew I was going to be a billionaire. And that's like that pattern that you see every big, big, big dog in any domain.

It follows the same fucking rubric every fucking time. Mountain of debt. Didn't care new knew they were going to be so rich it was going to erase the fucking game board in one fucking grand slam, one swing of the bat, it was all going to be over. And they fucking carried on like it was nothing.

Sherpa, a mountain Sherpa hiking up the fucking mountain didn't matter. And he had that blase, cavalier attitude towards it, as they all did Donald Trump. All these motherfuckers were many, many, many, many hundreds of millions in debt. Tens of millions in debt.

All of them figured it out. Why did I say your success as a man is proportional to the amount of debt that you can carry? I'm not even talking financial debt. Think about the other debts that you're in emotionally, the relationships that you're in out of sympathy that you haven't been able to get rid of, the friends that you don't even like anymore.

Those are all debts. You can carry that on your back until you win, and then you can start. You can bring out the weed cutters. But my point is, I don't believe in cutting those things out and cutting out the bad until you get to the top of the summit, because it's all fuel up there.

Like, I don't believe in spring cleaning. I don't believe in pausing halfway up the mountain and doing a inventory check. How. How's my.

How's my state of mind? How's my emotions? How's my welfare? All that.

You got to get up. You got to get up to the top, and then you can go back and get the balance sheet out and start totaling things up and start fucking. Start making things right. But until you get there, I told you this before, you're going to have to carry a thousand monkeys on your back.

So you better be strong. You better be strong and you better keep those legs moving,

01:32:06CALLER 8

right?

01:32:06CALLER 2

Yeah.

01:32:10CALLER 8

Something about like you're. If you move fast enough, you don't have to worry about things. It was backwards. If you're out of control, it means you're moving fast enough.

And I find myself in that period of my life where it's just like, I don't know what the is going on. I'm just move.

01:32:26HOST

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's, that's how everybody who's won has won. They had no idea what the was going on, but they were moving so fast that they were able to kind of seize see opportunities in the periphery and kind of scalp it along the way.

That's how it works. You just got to keep moving forward though. You can't get hung up on the little things because those problems have to sometimes keep stacking, stack. Sometimes those problems just compound on you and you have to be.

You have to sit there and be uncompromising. I mean, that's very much been my situation 100 times in my life. I could have sold out. I could have taken the easy road.

I could have gotten myself out of a ton of jams, taking weaker, lesser opportunities than I knew that I was worth. But I suffered through it and I let myself be extremely broke and hurting and suffering until I could recapitalize on the big opportunities again. And the problem is, is if I was taking those small opportunities along the way, I'm burning all that fuel that I would have been able to throw on the huge fire that I need when it's so I stay ready for the big stuff and I let all the little and all the unimportant die. And that's actually a.

It's actually a great strategy because then when you hit big, you're gonna hit really big. Really big, you know. And I'll tell you this, man, the hardest part about this type of lifestyle, where you're a maniac and you're chaotic and you don't live with any safety nets, no strings attached, it's the people around you that you have to really manage because they're gonna think on paper. Sometimes you look dead.

If I told you, man, how many times in my life on paper I looked so dead, there's no way this motherfucker's coming back on paper. Little do they know it was coming. And so managing, managing the people that are doubting you and worried and worried about your welfare and worried about your well being and checking in with you and worried about your mental health, managing them and infusing them with the spirit and injecting them with the morale while you're hurting, while you're suffering, while you're in the pit is extremely brutal and difficult. But it's it's worth it because once you win, those people get very well endowed and taken care of.

01:34:31CALLER 8

That's the only way that will happen.

01:34:32HOST

I mean, if you are. If you are this archetype, truly, you'll have days where nobody believes in you, everyone thinks you're toast. Everyone thinks you can't pull this off. Everyone's worried because no one could believe that you would put yourself in a position like this.

People are going to be like, dude, why aren't you just. Why don't you go for the safety? Like, why don't you have some little stream of income? It's like, no, you don't understand.

I got to make 20 million this year. Like, I don't have time to be building a side armor, a side business, because I need all my energy and attention focused on the big cake that I'm going after. And by the way, I know a ton of people who live like this and it works out for them 10 out of 10 times if they, if they hold on long enough and don't eject too early. Some don't, though.

I mean, obviously that's the dangerous game we play.

01:35:20CALLER 8

It's probably not even about playing the cards right. It's just. Play the cards.

01:35:23HOST

It, man.

01:35:26CALLER 8

All right, cool, man. Appreciate the, Appreciate the tip.

01:35:29HOST

It.