Catching fireflies
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Bang, bang. And we're back. We gotta get these trains up to speed here. There's a lot to catch up on.
Let me run you, let me run you through the current events real quick. For those of you who haven't figured this out, Elon Musk is the de facto President of the United States of America. Trump won handily and Elon is his protege. So Elon is the real president.
Trump is checked out. It's clear as day. Trump is checked out. He had to get the dub for vengeance, but he's, he's pretty much chilling.
He's done everything he needs to do. He, Elon's taken the reins and he is now the guiding providence of the country. One thing you have to understand, and a lot of my theses continually get validated when these types of things happen, is that Elon has been on an extended speed run. All of his companies are.
Elon Musk blows bubbles, okay? This is his craft. He blows gigantic bubbles. Tesla is a massively overrated, overvalued structure.
Zero percent chance it's deserving of a one trillion dollar market cap. And let me tell you something,
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of his companies, the AI, the star faring services that he's offering, all of these big wily and woolly ideas are ensconced in a massive bubble that was really on the verge of popping. And so the end point, conclusion, and this was just natural, this was the natural flow for a guy like him. He didn't have a choice. His, his only move was to basically seize control of the government in order to protect what you're, you're looking at like a multi trillion dollar crater if these companies go under.
Let me tell you something, the world ain't ready for autonomous vehicles. That is just not here yet. The AI ain't even close to where it needs to be either. It's just in the inchoate phases.
It's in infancy, it's just not even close. And the reason why I think AI as a whole has light years to go before it has any semblance of humanity in it, is because thinking, generating thought is actually a full body experience. Thinking is full body. Thinking has nothing to do with your mind.
It's full body. You gotta harvest your organs. There's bone, there's tissue, there's a lot, there's cartilage, there's a lot of components that create thought. And so without properly running organs with blood and ichor and lubrication and all of these other systemic enzymes that keep the factory running in the human mind, I ain't even going to get close to being there.
So my point is you on his, his real talent, and I think Elon is actually closer to a Babylonian caveman than he is an eruditic noetic academic. The guy, he's, he's more of a bonehead than he is a genius because only a bonehead, only a CRO Magnus type caveman could even dream the types of dreams this man has dreamt. You understand? You have to be somewhat to come up with these schemes that he's come up with.
And so like I said, you're looking at if Elon's companies go under. And by the way, there's a lot of that have bounties on this dude's head. He's pissed off a lot of people and so he's had guns pointed at his head for some time now. And so the natural conclusion was his, his real talent, and I'll tell you this, his primary talent that makes him seem extraordinary is he knows where the wind is blowing.
He has phenomenal detection as to where the wind is blowing because a lot of people are under the impression that Trump was going to win, that Elon basically was the guy who pushed him over the one yard line into the end zone. Trump was going to win regardless, with or without Elon. That was a no brainer. I think the Dems ran a losing campaign on purpose.
They knew they really didn't have any leverage. They ran the worst candidate in history to basically sit back and recharge for four years to figure out what their next plan is going to be. It was, they, they burned it on purpose. And so Trump was going to win regardless and Elon cozies up to him at the perfect time to come in.
And essentially, as I said, and this is a weird feature of humanity as well, is that typically a guy like Trump sees Elon as the son that he wishes he had. Their arcs are very similar in many ways. The character arcs, how they got to where they got to. Very similar.
And the interesting thing about Elon and Trump in general, the analog here is that both of these guys have done everything they've done for the love of the game. Yeah, Trump's a deal maker, sure, he loves cycling money. But you have to understand that these are playing a very different game than everybody else. They're very, very different.
Game. Are illiquid and it's, it's one of the most interesting facets of it. They, they both run in a very illiquid state. Both have been in a monstrous amount of debt for a very long time.
Both stay very illiquid so they can keep running their projects. And it confirms a prior point that I've made about relationships. I have a theory that the only way to maintain healthy relationships is, is to basically live paycheck to paycheck. And you're talking about two billionaires who for all intensive purposes do live paycheck to paycheck.
And what that does is it creates morale and it keeps everybody on their toes within the family. You understand a lot of you are in the opposite mindset. You're trying to strike it rich so that you can flip modes and toggle back into that preservation mindset of just protecting what you got. That's when all of your relationships start to fracture and crumble.
Look at any rich dude who's retired and watch what happens to the family structure. Watch what happens to their wives. Watch. Just watch what happens when you flip into that preservation mindset and you stop playing the game.
It's like I've always told you, once you enter a war, blitzkrieg is a misnomer. Blitzkrieg is not a real phenomenon. Once you enter a war, you've entered it for life. You understand?
The game never ends. It never ends. And what's really interesting is a lot of you still haven't figured out that money is not as liquid as you think it is. Money has decent liquidity.
It's probably ranked third on the list of liquidity. Fame has way higher liquidity than money. And power I would argue has more liquidity than money. You understand where I'm going with this?
Let me give you a good example. That Sophie Rain onlyfans chick doesn't really matter if the 4 million dollar donor that she had for her only fans subscription, it doesn't really matter if that's real or not. It's a good hypothetical of how illiquid money really is. Someone could actually sink $4 million in donations and not even get the chick.
That's a prime example of how illiquid money is. You got a lot, a lot of other who in order for them to get the girl of their dreams, they need four mansions, lambos watches, velour suits, and there's other who are bagging the baddest chicks on Earth with 1/1,000th of a fraction of that. So money ain't as liquid as you think it is. It's ranked third.
It's got decent liquidity, fame and power. Way more liquid. Way more. And what I think is going on, this whole phenomenon of guys like Elon Trump who just never retire from the game, they just have to keep pushing, they have to keep going.
Is there is a recognition once you climb the top of the summit. And I think anyone who's done it, anyone who's got to the top of the summit can understand this. I hark back to an episode of the Twilight Zone that I saw maybe 10 years ago. It was a total accident.
It was late at night and I happened to catch this episode. It's the best episode of all time. And all of you should take a moment of your time to go watch this thing. It's called A Nice Place to Visit.
And basically, I'll give you the crux of it. It's about a bank robber who commissions a crime. And he barges into a pawn shop late at night and he's got one of those burlap sacks and he's cleaning out the place, just throwing every fucking piece of jewelry and cash he can into the sack. And upon his exit, you hear sirens blaring.
And the cops are already onto him. Alarms are going off. And as he's absconding, he tries to scale a fence and there's a cop behind him who tells him to stop. He refuses to stop.
He keeps climbing the fence. And as he's about to get over it, cop smokes him, puts a skylight through his head so he's dead. And then he wakes up. And he wakes up and there's a genial, jovial old man wearing like one of those dental white suits, the frostiest, freshest white suit you've ever seen.
And he walks up to him and it's murky. He doesn't know if he's in a dream, he doesn't know where he is. And this man makes mention that he is assigned as his guide. He's his guide.
And that's all he tells him. And he's very skeptical at first. And he's in this gigantic mansion, this colonial looking colonnaded pillars. It almost looks like the White House.
And he's seated in here and he's trying to figure out where he is, who the this guy is. And the guide basically tells him, look, I can do anything you want. I can grant any wish, I'm your genie. And he doesn't believe him.
And so he's, he starts road testing it. He's like, give me a million bucks. Guide says, sure does a little hocus pocus, opens a drawer. Boom.
Million bucks. Cold hard cash in greenbacks in the drawer. He's like, give me three wives. Boom.
Snap of the finger door flings open. Three buxom vixens pop out, drape themselves over him. He goes to a casino, sits down at the roulette table firing chips out of a Gatling gun. Every spin is a winner, constantly winning.
Goes over to the slot machines, pulls the handle, jackpot. Goes over to another one, pulls the handle, jackpot. Goes over to another, pulls the handle with all his might, Jackpot. Anything he wants is granted and commanded on the spot.
After three days of this, of him conducting this experiment, literally casting things out of the sky into his hands, he is losing his mind. He's losing his mind. He wants to die. He can't take it anymore.
And so he goes to the guide, and he's like, I don't really understand why I'm here. I haven't done anything in my life to deserve this. And so the guide ushers him to the hall of Records. And in the hall of Records, you have those huge metal drawers that you would find in like a Fort Knox type of.
Type of structure. And he pulls open a drawer, and he pulls open a manila envelope and he pulls out this guy's rap sheet. And they're going over his whole history in his life. And this was a reprobate.
His. He had a rap sheet a mile long. Got arrested at, like. He went to juvenile hall at 12 for killing an innocent animal.
He had armed robbery, battery, domestic violence. Just, just a, a. A very, very, very indignant, suing, decrepit type of human, infinite transgressions. And they're going over this guy's records, and he keeps looking at the guide, and he's like, this doesn't make any sense.
He's like, why do I deserve this? And so he wants to go back and commit a robbery again because he's. He wants the thrill back. You know, everything's been so easy.
He's only been here like a week. And he's like, can I go back and commit a crime? He's like, I kind of want to flirt with disaster again. And the guy's like, sure, but if you want to get away with it, I can make that happen too.
And so he's just in this purgatory because anything that he wants to do now, any challenge that he wants to take on, the ending is already predetermined. And so he has just zero drive and zero motivation to really do anything. And so a few more days goes on of his wishes being granted, and he is completely fucking distraught now and besides himself. And he's sitting on the couch and he gets up and he fucking waves his arms furiously at the guide.
And he's like, he's like, I'm done with this. He's like, I want to go back to the other place. And the guide stands up and he looks at him deadpan, right in the pupils, and he goes, my friend, you are in the other place. And it cuts to the credits.
And so for those of you that are savvy and have followed along, it's very clear that he was in hell. That was not heaven. The afterlife for him, being able to. To grant on command, on the spot, anything that this man imagined was actually him burning in hell.
And there is a lot of compatibility with the metaphor to real life because those of us who've climbed the summit and gotten everything they've ever wanted, the money, the women, all of absolutely feels like hell unless you continue to push the envelope and keep playing the game. And so I made a very prophetic, ominous prediction, I believe, a year ago, about the crypto bull market with all these that think that you. The mechanism of life is that you just run up a huge bag and then you get to just sail off to Greece and call it a day and live off the spoils and the fortunes. And anyone who's attempted to do that has learned very quickly the disgusting, disgraceful feeling that it is waking up every day in that state of mind.
You always, always, always have to be progressing and biting off more than you can chew, you know? And I just had a reply under a tweet that is definitely worth an expansion because I think this rhetoric on Twitter is laced with venom. I cringe when I hear these on Twitter telling you guys to lock in and sit at your desk and grind and close the blinds and get a Sharpie and wash out all the light coming into your room. Sit there until you get rich.
Let me tell you something, and I'll tell you this for a fact. This ain't conjecture. What on fucking earth makes you truly believe that getting rich is up to you? What makes you think that it's really up to you?
It's not. It's not up to you. It's not your choice. Anyone who's gotten rich had zero.
Agency. Zero. Zero. You're going to be so zoned out, living life as the primary function, going with the current, floating with, downstream with the ocean.
And you are going to be in a foggy haze making things happen. And when you snap out of the trance, it's just all going to be there. It's all just going to be there. One day when you snap out of it, and this is true at every single level of humanity, and you could make this a fractal.
You could look at anyone who's ever won a game, anyone who's ever played a game at the highest level. Poker, sports, doesn't matter. Name a game. Name a game.
I've experienced it. I've been on a Matadorian bull rush in poker for hours at a time where I was so checked out that I literally had X ray vision. And it's one of the most exhilarating experiences you can have on this earth where I literally just had X ray vision. There was no math, there was no calculation, there was no conscious thought whatsoever.
I was in a state of mind that was completely unconscious for hours without breaking the spell where I could literally just read everybody's soul. It didn't matter what your cards were, I knew what you were doing. I knew every move, I knew the correct chip sizes. Couldn't tell you why I knew, but I went on a four hour run in my twenties.
I've never been able to replicate this, but I have experienced it where I could. I literally made every single right call for four straight hours. It was just absolutely unbelievable and mystical and there was no theory. You know what I'm saying?
There's a certain speed, by the way, where math doesn't even hold up anymore. Math does seem to fall apart at a certain velocity. At a certain velocity, math 100% falls apart. There's this game that I used to play.
There's a gambling game that I used to play. I used to be pretty dedicated to it. It's called Plinko. And if you don't know what Plinko is, picture a pyramid.
And there are pegs in rows down a line going down to the bottom of the pyramid. And at the bottom of the pyramid there's slots. And, and at the far end ranges of the slots, there are multipliers. There's 1000x, there's 130x, there's 26x.
And as you get closer to the middle, the value of the slots decreases. And so the, the, the function of the game is you make a wager, you choose the value of what kind of ball you want to bet and the ball drops down the pyramid and ping pongs off of these pegs and it falls into one of the slots. And I made it my mission to hit 1000x with like a $3000 ball drop. So that would be $3 million win if it goes into the thousandx.
Slot and I would only bet 3000 a ball drop. And I had been going at this for like nine months and I was getting absolutely clapped destroyed. I think I was like 7 million invested at this point. And now, now I'm 7 million in and I'm only gunning to get a $3 million rebate if I even hit this thing.
And I was super disciplined. I would make sure that I would only bet 3k a ball because I did not want to around and goof off and bet less. And then, you know, that's typically when life will give you the thousand X, right? As soon as you take your eye off the price.
So sure enough, one day I was under a massive amount of pressure and stress and I was chain smoking outside and I had a couple bucks in my account. Just literal pocket change dust sitting there. And I was like, you know what, since this game, by the way, this game is provably fair, which means you can literally like cross check a hash seed to see that on the client end and on the server end. It's a totally random game of chance.
There's no, there's no fucking, there's no sleight of hand here. This is a totally, every bet you place is a totally random event and it's verifiable. So I knew it wasn't rigged. And I'm sitting out there fucking around and I'm like, I want to actually kind of speed up this seed and, and get through more ball drops because I think it's going to bring me closer.
Like I said, I've been going through this for nine months. Sure enough, I just got caught in a moment of weakness and I dropped a $2 ball. Was I've just zoned out, dropped a $2 ball for no reason at all and I hit the thousand x. I made two GS and that was the end of the mission.
I had to abort. And had I waited to put 3k in there and drop the ball, my next ball was going to be the thousand x. So long story short, you know, the math just completely broke apart. Of course I was going to hit the thousand X the first time.
I get sloppy and goofy. Gunning this thing for nine months, putting my heart and soul into hitting this thing. I hit, hit the thousand X on a $2 ball drop, got 2,000 bucks out of it. Atrocious.
And so I aborted mission and kept it moving. But it is interesting how that equation, you could explain this 100 different ways using advanced language. It's just very clear that the Math completely broke down in that moment. You know, even.
Even with the whole getting rich thing and the whole everything that happens to you is kind of on the periphery. Even birds, even seafaring, cliff diving birds believe when they're standing cliffside, they believe that they belong to the ocean. They believe that they belong to the ocean when they dive. And when they dive, their wings pull them up inst.
Instinctually before they can hit the water. That's a very powerful metaphor for how life works, because even the birds who believe that they belong to the water itself, at the very last second, the instinct kicks in and they fly away. And so what I see a lot of this whole rhetoric of rotting at a desk and locking in. By the way, you can try this experiment.
Go for it. Go sit at a desk today and force yourself into labor. Force yourself, open your laptop, watch the frustration and the angst while you sit there. And you have no clue what to do, because good ideas aren't up to you.
Getting rich is not up to you. You could literally test this battle, test it yourself, open up your laptop and let's see how many genius ideas you come up with when you force yourself to punch keys and sit there and GR mind. You know, you ain't gonna come up with jack. It's not gonna happen.
And so my whole thing is, is that we do belong to the ocean. And you have to let the ocean carry you. You gotta let the ocean do the work. You know what I'm saying?
There's got to be buoyancy most of the time in life, and this is true for everybody, is you're basically holding on to a wooden plank, you know what I'm saying? You're holding on to a piece of driftwood in the ocean while the currents are trying to suck you under and the frothy waves are slapping you. You know what I'm saying? Most.
Most of life is really just holding on by a thread until good stuff happens. That is the absolute truth. I. I do have just unbelievable amount of anecdotal evidence that the best ideas and best opportunities come around every couple years.
And everything you do in between those couple years is just complete fluff and filler, you know what I'm saying? You're not going to meet the. You're not going to meet the right people every day. That's not going to happen.
And by the way, taste, there's. There's another thing that floats around here that needs to be rectified. And that's this whole notion that they say you can't buy money with taste, and that's true. But you can buy money.
You can't buy taste with money, but you can buy money with taste. Taste buys money and taste buys money for pennies on the dollar, by the way. Super cheap. If you have good taste, you are going to get invited into the right circles in the right rooms.
You got to know who, you got to have a talent for spotting the right people, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of, lot of people who don't have money, but they have access to cars, they have access to circles, they have access to, to structure that people with money don't have. It's kind of what I'm getting at here, you know what I mean? It goes back to that tweet that I had.
It's one of my favorites where I said that those who can acquire money without needing money get all the money. It's the truest thing ever. You know what I mean? And, and back to the whole money ain't that liquid thing.
It's just true. You know, there's, there's like two things I can think of off the top of my head that really make. They really push the needle and make a massive difference when you're caked out. And one of those things is probably flying Private.
That is definitely an ascended experience. Flying private is. It kind of reminds me in the Soviet era, you know, where a lot of you probably don't know that. Brutalist architecture, Brutalism, this whole, this whole concept of these angry, asymmetrical, sort of somber looking structures, that whole movement comes out of the Soviet era and it was basically designed.
They made these gargantuan, gargoyle and looking structures that almost look like they're sneering and snickering at you. And the whole purpose of that era of architecture was to remind the citizens of how insignificant and tiny they were. That was the psyop. That's where brutalist architecture comes from.
It was designed for you to be gazing at it, you know what I'm saying, from far afield and just absolutely sort of implode inward and confirm your insignificance. And what's interesting about America is, is even though we are a free country, there is a communist communistic sort of glitch within the capitalistic framework. And you see it in commercial airfare when you fly commercial. I do believe there is sort of a parallel to that brutalist sentiment of making you feel like you are a fucking rat.
A worthless fucking rat. You are a digit waiting to be Called to board your flight. And so that is one of those. It's one of those things in American culture.
I mean, airports are just atrocious places. I don't think anybody enjoys taking commercial flights. But the whole system is sort of there to remind you that you are a fleck of dust. You're a dollop of cream.
That's all you are. And so I would say that money takes you far. When you start flying private, that is definitely, truly, I would say, a breakout of the Matrix. And the other implementation is basically just shortening the leash on time.
You know what I'm saying? You can just condense time and you can sort of pay things to shrink time into sort of a cubic thing where you just, you shrink everything down. Chefs things, you can hire people to do your laundry like that. Other than that, the liquidity just ain't as amazing as all you think it is.
The, the primary thing here that I think is very pervasive in the culture is that people just don't know how to live anymore. People are not living life and not letting things happen to them. And that is a huge problem when you start turning making money into a science project, when you start making women into a science project. I mean, I look at all these pickup artist guys, these guys who are obsessed with picking up women.
I've always found it bizarre and distasteful. I mean, I always have. There's always been something in my pulse that when I see that there's bells go off and I recently discovered what's going on there. I think when everything else that you've tried in your life doesn't really work out, you've been a catastrophic failure at almost everything.
It's easy to couch yourself in sort of the soulless, mechanistic, science fair esque, project type of life where now you turn women into sort of like hunting trophies, like that, you know what I'm saying? And it's just bizarre because you look at the Elon Musk, you look at the Trumps, you look at the Peter Thiel's, you look at anyone who's really actually made it. And the money and all that other stuff is really just a souvenir for their troubles, you know what I'm saying? These are just souvenirs that you collect along the way, all of it.
But the primary issue here is just not living life. Living life on your terms, going with the current, battling the angst inside you every day, that makes you want to come unglued and come unhinged. That's the real. That's where the real work is done, is just figuring out how to live life and surf.
Surf all the waves that come your way. See if we got a question. I'm gonna make a cup of coffee real quick. By the way, this is my first Siglist spaces in history.
I have not puffed a sig one time. Holy. We got a fuckload of questions. Oh, by the way, before I take questions, one other point I wanted to make to you guys is losers of games don't get the credit that they deserve.
I don't think you guys understand. Winners, like true winners in life, have sabotaged more games than you could even wrap your head around. Because a lot of times when you enter a game or a domain, a lot of times surrendering and waving the white flag is really just an indication that you already got what you wanted. You know what?
You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of hidden intent and conflict. Losers of games are underrated.
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There's a.
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There's. There are people who've literally lost every single battle in every single war and are. And still come out on top. Because during the.
During the middle of the game, like in the meta, they already kind of got what they needed out of it, and they're able to just eject and take the L. Very, very interesting how it all works once you start breaking this stuff down. All right, we're gonna get. Gonna get Jay up here.
We have to do Q A whether you guys like it or not. It's. What's up, Jay? Hey, what's up, man?
My question for you is on mastery, and if you think that it's better to harness all your energy into fewer skills or be kind of more generated across a bunch of different skills and be just mediocre at them, dude, I think skills are total. I don't believe in skills. I don't. I think skills is a huge myth.
I think it's a huge lie. I think what people think is skill is actually just you becoming more numb over time. And when you become numb, it sort of brings forth latent talent that's been hiding there anyway. I think anxiety is really what actually bogs people down.
You know what I'm saying? And so the discovery process of talent and skill is really mostly about suffocating the anxiety. Because I really do believe that we all have a host of characteristics that are innate. We all have skills and talents that have literally been there the entire time.
And a lot of them, unfortunately, need an excavation. They need to take one of those Little dusters that archaeologists used to do. And you need to dust off the fossils sometimes in order to get the clarity and bring, you know, bring texture and contextualization to the. To the portrait.
And the problem is, is that, like, skilling up just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't anything I've ever been good at. I can't even tell you how I got better at it. Like, it goes back to my whole thing about turning your life into a science project.
When things aren't working, people are like, I gotta learn a new skill. What the does that even mean? Can you tell me what learning a new skill means? Like, what the does that mean?
That means that you're gonna. You're trying to learn something that you're not naturally good at. Why the would you waste your time doing that? Why would you waste your time learning a skill that you already don't have some sort of baseline or foundation in?
What's the point? To be more well rounded. The is being well rounded ever done for anybody other than make you average and mediocre? I'm waiting for someone to challenge me on this.
Right on. Thank you, Brute. Why not? Why no cigarettes?
Why no six today? Yeah. Oh, because I'm. I'm sitting in an office.
I'm just chilling. I wanted it. Wanted to change the scenery. I like it.
Yeah, brother. Appreciate it, boo. Yeah, you got it. Learn a new skill.
How about you quadruple down on what you already got and just get better at that through living out of here. New skill. Ball knower. What's up, baby?
CALLER 3
Yo, what's up, bro? I got. I want you to tell me about the medicinal benefits of sigs, and then we'll go from there.
HOST
There isn't any.
CALLER 3
The Native Americans were tapping into that for sure.
HOST
Yeah, they were, but it was. It was very sparse. I mean, they certainly weren't smoking two packs a day, I'll tell you that. It was more ceremonial.
CALLER 3
Right, But I mean, like, with tobacco, if you're hand rolling it, surely there's some kind of benefit or like a pipe or something.
HOST
Seriously, I mean, I'm not really going to get into a spat with you about that. I'm not. I'm not one of these guys.
CALLER 3
I'm different. I'm sorry.
HOST
I mean, I'm not here that proffers that cigs are good for you. I've never really felt that way. What I will tell you is as a. Stop, stop, stop.
As a. As a heavy smoker, what I can tell you is that I have had zero degradation in any kind of performance. Zero. Zero cardio.
My wind, my lungs, my capacity. It's all there. I've been a chain smoker for a very long time, but I also do everything else right? So it's very mitigated for me.
CALLER 3
Right. Okay. Another question. What are your qualms with, like, Christianity?
HOST
I don't have a qual of Christianity.
CALLER 3
Not at all?
HOST
No, I don't have a qual. I don't have a qualm with religion whatsoever. I just. It's just not something that I really need to sail through the storms of life.
CALLER 3
Right. All right, can we talk about the maternal of, like. Because let me. Look, can I go.
Can I spitball for a bit here, bro?
HOST
Go ahead, but. All right, don't stutter.
CALLER 3
Yeah, yeah, try my best. So with the father, take a deep breath of the spirit. Right? That's of the spirit.
HOST
And.
CALLER 3
And Mother Earth is just maternal. Right?
HOST
So, brother, we're not. We're not. Listen, we're not gonna do a theological lesson here. Like, if that's where.
If that's where you're going, you're not gonna beat me into that.
CALLER 3
We can. We can pivot.
HOST
That's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not gonna bait me into that, so.
CALLER 3
No, not at all. I don't want to debate you. I don't want to get you. I don't want to do any of that if you don't want to do it, all right.
HOST
Because that would be a big mistake. I would hate to tar and feather you here in front of thousands of people. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine.
CALLER 3
We can. We can pivot.
HOST
So.
CALLER 3
With the arena of crypto, right, what are your thoughts on Solana and all the other coins on it?
HOST
I like Solana a lot. I think it's. I think it's sort of the centrifuge of crypto right now. I think it's the most interesting theater for sure.
I mean, it's got most of the dregs of society there, but I. I like the concept. I think pump fun was genius in a lot of ways. Obviously, the edges and the margin.
The margins are getting tailored and curtailed every single day as people get wiser and smarter. So the pump and dumps are fucking wretched on there, but I do like the technology, for sure. Yep. I'll keep it.
I'll keep it moving, though, man. I'm gonna come. I'm gonna cut you off there. I appreciate you.
Let's get Christian up here. Yo, Christian.
CALLER 2
Yo, what's going on, bro?
HOST
It's going down.
CALLER 2
Hey, I am a lifelong deal maker. It's just who I am. I'm not necessarily looking for some tips, but I have noticed that sales is a lot like life if you're in that career, if that's your chosen path. And you've mentioned quite a bit about sales in the past, especially in the tour de force.
And I was just wanting to get some of your perspective on sales. What worked for you? What was your mindset going into it? If you could peel back the curtain on doing deals and sales, I'd love to hear about it.
HOST
I mean, dude, look, inverse logic is the only logic. I'll tell you this right now. Inverse logic is the only law that you people think that they need some crazy rubric and syllabus and outlines and logic and logical explanations when they're doing sales. It's dumbest thing I've ever heard.
I'll give you a great example. There are failed copywriters on Twitter who are horrible copywriters. Terrible. I can tell because they claim that they're 100 million dollar generators, but their tweets get zero love.
I've always found that interesting. But, but when they come at me or they talk to me, they bring me sales. So they're very good at selling on my behalf without realizing that they're. They're good for me.
You understand where I'm going with this? The inverse, the inverse logic, a lot of sales is like haters are here to lift you up. That's what they do. Haters are here to serve.
They're your servants. And so when a hater, you know what I mean, scribes a huge scathing alembic against somebody, what they're actually doing is they're fucking bringing you cash, they're bringing you money. And they're terrible at selling for themselves because they aren't utilizing that principle, but they can sell for you. Like some of these, some of these copywriters on Twitter have made me a bloody fortune inadvertently.
You know what I'm saying? 100%. I think you can tease that apart and see how that works.
CALLER 2
Yeah, 100%. It's.
HOST
Often times it has, it has the opposite effect. Basically when you hate on people, it has the complete opposite effect. It creates, creates a. It creates a mass of intrigue is what it does.
It does. It works with women. This work. Like if you.
This literally works on every single level of society. If you bash a guy in front of a chick, you're gonna make her interested in Him. If you want to make a chick uninterested in someone tell her what a sweet, charming, nice guy this guy is, she will turn the other cheek.
CALLER 2
100 but ask me a specific, ask
HOST
me a specific question about sales because yes, that is my wheelhouse.
CALLER 2
So I'm definitely not on board with any of the scripted, process oriented stuff. I'd be interested in hearing you talk about frame as that's how I perceive sales. I think every interaction is a negotiation of reality and oftentimes the strongest or the widest, most encapsulating frame wins. What are your thoughts on frame being the primary central node that determines sales outcomes?
HOST
I mean, yeah, I agree with that. But I look at like if you want to talk about. The only thing I'm interested in is, is high ticket sales. And if you want to talk about high ticket sales, the, the thing that everybody's really interested in and this is sort of taboo and it's a secret that nobody wants to let on to, but I'll, I'll unveil it for you.
Is that at the, at the upper echelons of society, people who are making large purchases, they actually want more of a roller coaster than they want anything else. They want to go on a ride, on a journey. And that's why people will pay crazy amounts of money for, you know, transformations, stuff like that, info products, stuff like that. It's really just about going on a roller coaster and that.
I think the greatest salesmen understand that. But also, I'm not a volume guy. I don't believe in just fucking spewing out a bunch of shit to a bunch of different people. I think the sniper is way more proficient than the shotgun when it comes to this type of stuff.
CALLER 2
100%. What is your mindset if you're doing deals or if you have to get on a sales call going into it? How are you approaching that personally?
HOST
Well, I see the thing is for me is I can't sell anything that I'm not genuinely interested in. Like I have to be completely maniacally obsessed with something in order to sell it. And when I do sell it, I don't even know that I'm selling. To be quite honest with you.
It's kind of more of you're either going to get on with me or you're just going to get fucking steamrolled or left behind. 1. There's three options here, you know what I'm saying? Like you generate fanaticism by just being, by basically leading from the front lines. So like I don't I never really did direct sales.
I never really did direct sales. But I will tell you this then. This is, I think this is actually very worthwhile to get into what I believe happens especially in like an SaaS model or if you're, if you have a recurring client, stuff like that in sales. People do not fucking understand that as a salesman, your primary role is actually that of a therapist.
People who buy from you want to actually feel like you care about them. This is, this is an absolute bona fide fact. And if you can hold their hand and make them feel cared for, as humans, you have an infinite lifetime supply of clients. But the thing is, is people are afraid to hit at the interpersonal level.
People are afraid because with like if someone buys a subscription from you, let's say this by software, and they have to fucking re up every month. Believe it or not, when they call you on customer service calls to bitch and complain about shit, it's not really about the thing they're complaining about. They actually just want to know that you're hearing them. They're calling you because they want to know that you, that you give a shit.
And that's the key to sales is literally hitting them at that interpersonal level and showing that you give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? You're not rushing them off the phone. You stay on the phone as long as you have to with people.
And what's interesting is like, I think this is why I've been a good salesman, because I've mentor, I've mentored a lot of people on Twitter and we have terms on expiration, right? It'll be like maybe a three month mentorship. When the mentorship's over, I don't just go, hey, fuck you, we're done talking. Like, if guys are going to check in with me six months down the road, I'll take their call, no problem.
It's free. It's going to cost me time and money to get on the phone with you, but I'll do it. I'm not. I don't just like clip people's wings.
I don't do business that way. I think that's super gay. There's people that I've mentored three years ago on Twitter that'll literally hit me up couple times a year. I'll take their call every single time.
I'll talk to them for a couple hours, check in with them. It's not like I send them an invoice when it's done. Because any percent, because anything I do Man, I just. I care about.
And this kind of like this. This brings in all the points I've been trying to make this my whole time on in this space is that for me, I waste a lot of time doing shit like that. I waste a lot of money doing stuff like that because I just have a surplus of energy. So I'm happy to give it.
I'm happy to fucking give it. You know, I'll take anybody's call, man.
CALLER 2
100%. If you make them feel seen and heard, they'll bend over backwards for you.
HOST
That is literally all sales is, man, is like. And I'm going to say this again. When people are complaining and bitching about a shit service, they actually just want. They're sublimating a lot of things that are going on in their personal life that are probably up and they're using your service oftentimes.
I know it sounds crazy, but it's not as an outlet. As an outlet to make themselves feel whole.
CALLER 2
100 last thing I'll say is that the running gun in the sun strategy is goaded. I got off the desktop. Everybody doesn't use my Google Calendar anymore. They pick up their phone and call me.
I'm ripping sales calls in the sun from my phone. It's a much better lifestyle on the move, right? On the move.
HOST
On the move, baby. Appreciate your feedback, brother. Yep.
CALLER 2
Let's keep it moving.
HOST
Yo. Do you guys understand what I was just saying? Like, if you're running these subscription services and sales and then. And then Vital Alchemist, I'll get you up here in a second.
But you need to be really checking in on your people. It's a huge error you guys are making, not checking in on your people constantly. I don't care if it costs you time and money. It's the right thing to do when you're doing sales, is you need to make sure that you're.
That everything's copacetic with your people and your customers. Check in on them. Even if they're pissed off, even if you've made mistakes, you need to check in with them constantly and stop looking at as this is billable hours that you're giving away. You're a idiot if that's your approach.
You got to treat people like people and be a therapist, be a doctor. You got to wear many hats. Whatever the you got to do. You got to be on call, and you can't rush people off the phone.
You got to hear their concerns. All right, go ahead, bro.
CALLER 4
Are you into any of this biohacking Stuff like methylene blue peptides and. No, because like to max, to max your max potential because you are at a high level and to go even further or.
HOST
I'm not into supplements man, at all.
CALLER 4
Okay, like what's the reason?
HOST
The reason is, is because I have spirit, my friend. My spirit carries me through anything. I don't need supplements. I've already reached my natural genetic potential strength wise.
CALLER 4
Okay. Do you think they bring you more down than.
HOST
Yes, they do. They, they do bring you more down and I'll tell you why. What happens is when you, when you bolster your physiology through supplements and through, you know, let's just take an extreme example. Steroids, like that you're.
There's a la. Mind is lagging behind. Do you understand? You can make your muscles stronger with roids.
You can strengthen the whole system. You can make, you can replenish your body with minerals, vitamins, whatever the it needs. But the mindset doesn't catch up to the physiological change. Your mind is still the way it is.
The fact that people sit here and believe that if you take supplements and you get your physical health in check that magically tomorrow you're going to be the CEO of a Fortune 5 company. You are vastly tripping. It's not how life works whatsoever.
CALLER 4
Yeah, I understand that.
HOST
It doesn't just, it doesn't just give you the wisdom and the clarity and the mindset that you're looking for. The mindset is built in the, in the dearth, in the deficit, in the mud where there's no nutrition, where there's no nutrients, where there's, where the vitamins soil is de riched, you understand? That's where character is built. And so when people take the fast track and they're like, damn, I just got to fix my health instead.
What about your mind, buddy? You can't take steroids for your brain. You can't change your perspective. You can't change who you are by taking steroids.
Tell you that right now.
CALLER 4
Yeah, I understand that.
HOST
So what's, so what's going to happen? So hold on, so what's going to happen when your mind is stuck where it was but now your physiology is 100 times better. What are you going to do with that gap, that separation? How do you bridge that gap?
You don't. Because everything is holistic in the human body. Your mindset and your health and your strength, all of that has to rise together as a unit. You can't leave your, your brain on the sidewalk.
You understand? So you understand why this is asked backwards 100%.
CALLER 4
But you are at this high level and you. You say you max out your natural potential, but like, there are. There is stuff that boosts your mitochondria and to. To go even further.
Why don't you try?
HOST
Because I don't. Because I don't appreciate dependency. I don't want to be. I don't want to depend on a pill.
I don't want to depend on anything to be the man that I am. I'm very. I'm very tribalistic and I'm very primal in that way. I like knowing that I can wake up.
I don't really need much food or water. I don't need any supplements. I don't even really need cigarettes. I've.
I've mentioned this. Cigarettes are more of just a. An art medium for me. I don't need anything.
I'm still gonna perform naked. I don't like depending on substances, pills, exogenous bullshit to perform at a high level. It's asinine. It's.
I think that's all that needs to be said about that. Your mind is always going to be left behind. Doesn't matter what you take.
CALLER 4
Thank you. Have a nice evening.
HOST
Trying to call this guy up here. Yo, Lucio. What's up, man? What's up, man?
You listening? We're all listening. Okay. Listen to me.
Well, I would like to ask a question. Don't come up here and open like that. It's just not classy. Not classy.
Yo, jazz johnson.
CALLER 1
What's up, man?
HOST
What's up?
CALLER 1
So I'm a college basketball player, and I just had probably the worst injury of my life. I tore my labrum. And I'm gonna miss this season. I was probably gonna start this year.
Had a good summer. Felt the best that I've ever had in my life.
HOST
Hip, labrum or shoulder?
CALLER 1
Labrum, shoulder.
HOST
Okay.
CALLER 1
Just wondering how you manage coming back from injuries, especially serious injuries. I had surgery last week and looking like 5 to 6 month return to basketball.
HOST
Yeah, that's what they tell you. That's what they tell you. But, but let me. Let me give you.
Let me give you a different perspective. Acute severe injuries have been going on since the dawn of man, you know, prior to physicians and health offices and like that. And one of the things that you see when you glance back at history is that people who had severe. I'm talking like breaks, tears, some of the ugliest fractures you've ever seen in the wild.
When you force yourself to move. Okay. When you force movement upon an injury, you teach your body that it has no choice but to repair things quicker. Rest is the dumbest thing you can do when you're injured.
Definitely absolute dumbest thing you can do. You know, if your labrum's torn, obviously your shoulder is going to be inactive. But you can go down to the next joint below the shoulder, like the elbow, and you can definitely do elbow extension. You can do things at the joint below.
That's going to kind of work upstream and, and shuttle in nutrition and blood, and that's going to repair it quicker. Man, I, I, I slipped off a staircase last winter. There was like frozen ice. I was up in the mountains and there was frozen ice and I had no idea.
And I slipped off a staircase outside on this, on this marble and I literally thought I broke my ankle. It was horrific. I mean, I literally had to crawl up like the Exorcist up this flight of stairs. And everyone was telling me, you have to get a boot on your leg.
You have to, you got to go get this thing checked out. It was, it was literally, it looked like a zeppelin on my ankle. The swelling was unbelievable. I could barely even walk.
I had to, you know what I'm saying? I did do one of those flamingo hops to get anywhere, dude, no joke. I literally just kept walking on it. I just kept fucking walking on it.
Even though any everyone was telling me it was stupid, this thing, I don't know if it was broken or it had a hairline fracture. It was the most disgusting, brutal pain I've ever felt in my life. I was fucking chain smoking every single day, walking around on it. Hobbled, and in like two weeks, I was back to normal.
And I guarantee you, if I saw a doctor, they would have told me wear a boot, get crutches, wheelchair, whatever, the. And they would have told me probably lay off this thing for like four or five months, two weeks just from walking on it. And the next day I got an empty bar in my garage gym and I started doing back squats with just the bar, just 45 pounds. And I was going all the way down just to try to get range of motion in my dorsiflexion.
Back in the ankle.
CALLER 1
Boom.
HOST
Every single day was making progress, despite the fact that it hurt like a. So I'm telling you, brother, that the whole time preference thing is such a psyop. And it's interesting how when an authority figure tells you four to six months and you believe that your body will 100% roll with that timeline.
CALLER 1
Oh, definitely, man. You Adapt to their expectations.
HOST
You're going to adapt to their expectations. And so, look, I'm not telling you obviously, to throw around, raid, or do anything fucking, you know, too retarded, man. But you can 1000% speed this shit up. I mean, think about dudes who snapped up their legs or broke their fucking bones in a fucking jungle and shit.
If they didn't walk out of there, they were going to die. There's people who've literally hobbled out of the most treacherous conditions because they literally had to. And I think that's kind of your mindset, especially since you're a Hooper. And you and I both know if you take time off, you get rusty.
Like, the consequences are dire if you're a Hooper and you take too much time off.
CALLER 1
Yeah, exactly what the trainers are telling me. They're like, you should keep in the sling 24 hours a day.
HOST
But no, last week.
CALLER 1
I've been out of the sling most today besides sleeping, and I swear I've already recovered faster than. I mean, they're amazed with how the stitches are healing and how little pain I have. And that's really what I've been doing.
HOST
So you, you have to, man. And the body is contralateral, too, in a lot of way, by the way. Which means that if you do grip work and you do shoulder work on the opposite arm, believe it or not, your body is so intelligent, it's going to try to get the other side of the body, those appendages that aren't being used. It's going to try to get it up to speed to make it symmetrical.
So, like, you could do. You could do farmers walks or kettlebell holds heavy with the other arm and just go for a walk. And I promise you that contralateral thing is one of the things about the body that people don't understand. There' something you can do, and part of being a man is working around injuries.
There's something you can do when you're hurt. Always, always, all day, man. All day long. I'd be squatting, moving.
I'd just be doing constantly. And the more time you put in, the faster it's going to heal.
CALLER 1
Definitely, man. I've been on the assault bike going about 30 minutes a day.
HOST
Just perfect, perfect.
CALLER 1
They keep telling me, like, why are you doing this? You should just be resting. I'm like, I can't just sit still here. I feel like I'm wasting away everything.
HOST
Such a philosophy, man. So stupid. Ice is dumb, too, for injuries, by the way, if you're up really on that yeah. Do not ice.
You're gonna slow down recovery majorly. If anything, heat is actually better.
CALLER 1
Yeah, the natural, natural inflammation you're just. Which is part of the healing process. I mean, I feel like you're just messing with that if it, you know what I mean? Same thing with the ibuprofen and all that.
HOST
I wouldn't take any of that stuff, man. I would just be moving ferociously.
CALLER 1
Definitely. One more just caveat to the question. What about mentally? How I know physically, I'm really not worried about that.
But you know, I know you hooped. Listen to some of the spaces before you talked about being rusty. How can I get that back? Or is that just what, what do you have for that?
HOST
Yeah, I mean, you're talking about like your handles, because that's the first thing to go.
CALLER 1
Yeah. And handles my shot because I hurt my right arm, which is my dominant hand, you know, and my shot is probably the biggest part of my game. I shoot 45, 46 from three last year. And I just don't want to lose that, bro.
HOST
I would start, go full, go full white chocolate Jason Williams and start dribbling with your left.
CALLER 1
Yeah.
HOST
For real, for real. You know what's interesting, man, is like this whole thing I just told you about pain and healing and recovery. It's a really good companion manual to a lot of the other things that I talk about. Because I do think as men we do become more machine.
Like as we mature, like the organism does become more like a machine. As you age and as you get more numb and as you, as you go through life and you get a little bit jaded, your pain threshold becomes absolutely enormous. Like the, the pains and stuff that I have gone through non surgically is, is absolutely unbelievable. And I, I, I really equate just that, my pain tolerance and my ability to heal fast from just that overall mindset of just constant motion and movement and moving forward and letting go of the past, it's just like it does create.
You do feel. I feel like a machine. I do feel like a trained killer. As I get older and older, I mean, I'm still putting up enormous numbers in the gym to this day.
I'll be 38 and I mean, just like my strength never goes down. I still got power, I still got pop in my snatch. I'm still cleaning crazy amounts of weight and I'm just so efficient, so efficient in my body and like I get hurt quite a bit and I just move and in a day's time it just evaporates.
CALLER 1
Yeah, exactly. Man, I'll sprain my ankle on a Monday and by Tuesday I'm good to go. Just, I've done it so many times. I know what my body, I know my body well.
HOST
I mean, that's it, baby.
CALLER 1
You're exactly right. You really are a machine. And the, the guys who regress as they get older, I'm, they're, they're kind of moving backwards into like being a teenager, a kid, overblowing their injuries. I mean, if you just move forward like you say, I feel like there's no reason to regress in anything.
HOST
No reason to regress in anything, man. And when I say machine, people think that's a metaphor. Like I literally feel like a fleshless T800 from Terminator. One of those primitive, one of those primitive machines with my flesh melted off, bro.
I got cycloptic red eyes. That's literally how it feels like. I am just so numb to pain and unfazed by everything because I've just, I've literally subjected my body to the highest level of pressure and growth over the years. And it's funny because it just pays dividends.
I can just feed off of the work, the foundations that I laid in my 20s being an athlete, constantly lifting, constantly going against the conventional wisdom, constantly going against the advice, pushing my body. And so, you know, my mind and my body, I think are in a really good rhythm together. And I do 100% believe that is because I laid off the supplements, laid off the roids, laid off trt. I have that harmony and that unity.
My mind is exactly where my body is, you know what I'm saying? They're shaking hands in the middle and there's no discrepancy and there's no gap there.
CALLER 1
Yeah, man. I think the mind is more important of everything. I see these guys, they have to have the exact warm up routine and pre game food. They have to sleep nine, 10 hours a day, no stress, all this.
And for them to play how they can. And I mean I can roll in, I try and purposely do it, like test myself. Can I perform on no sleep or no food, come into practice and still perform? Because I mean if you can't perform without those crutches, it's not really you performing, you're, it's the, the crutches that are performing, not you.
HOST
Exactly. Yeah, go ahead.
CALLER 1
If you have time for one more question kind of related to this. Hog the spaces. How do you tackle other people's limits on how, what you can achieve? Because I want to be a pro.
Hooper man, that's. That's been my goal since freshman, sophomore year, high school. And where I'm from, there's no one's ever done that. I go to this.
I'm from a rural town. Everyone wants you to just stick around and fit the mold of what they want you to do. And I'll speak about what I want to do. I want to be a pro.
And they're like, just kind of laugh at it, like, oh, what do you really want to do? I think that's not. You can't do that. So how do you handle being in an environment where people are constantly putting down what you want to achieve and your dreams?
HOST
I mean, it goes back to what I said on the last basis about performing in a vacuum. I do think that collective consciousness does hold weight in. In certain ways, but you. It's a speed run, man.
When I say speed run up the summit, this is exactly what I'm talking about. It's. It's really that you just have a run in you where you have. Every man is granted their glory run.
You know what I mean? Every single man is glanced, granted at least one glory run in their life. And in that glory run, you're gonna be numb, you're going to be jaded, you're going to be zoned out, you're going to be entranced, and you will be in a vacuum. And the way that you keep that vacuum sealed is by doing exactly what we just discussed.
You know what I'm saying? You get that injury and you continually move and force your body to recover. You don't give it. You don't give it an option because you realize how fucking thin this stuff is, man.
It's sand in an hourglass. It's pouring through your hands, like, you have to keep that momentum alive. Have to. Yeah.
CALLER 1
I don't think I've even hit my glory run yet.
HOST
Not even. Probably not.
CALLER 1
No. I'm ready for it, man. I'm ready to tackle everything when I come back from this injury. I can't wait.
I think I'm going to be the best I've ever been.
HOST
I hope so, man. Check in with me and let me know how that story progresses.
CALLER 1
For sure, man. Thanks for your time.
HOST
All right, bro.