Hunger of the pine
HOST
Someone just tweeted at me. So someone just asked me what I think about Mr. Beast. It's a good question.
What do I think about Mr. Beast? I think Mr. Beast is the Willy Wonka archetype.
I think Willy Wonka was a pedophile. I think that was the hidden intonation in that whole story. Mr. Beast is Willy Wonky in, in a lot of ways because what he does is he builds worlds.
He builds labyrinthine worlds for people to navigate. And he seems to derive great pleasure from building these fake ecosystems and then watching people traverse through the mazes. It's sort of like a Sims complex. If you know the game the Sims, this has a fetish for like waving the white satin glove and moving pieces around the board.
It's very pedophilic in the sense that it is the childrenization of humanity. Do you understand? I believe that what he's doing when he constructs these challenges and these weird fucking mazes and he's watching from some fucking seedy van on the street with 4K HD TVs, watching people try to win these fucking prizes, it's demeaning, it's degrading, it's taking an adult and infantilizing them. So I look at it as almost like a radicalization of the whole world Willy Wonka thing, which is just a kind of a similar parallel.
Mr. Beast is a massive creep. I guarantee you that. Massive creep.
That was a little sidebar. So what I wanted to talk about today, I was talking to my buddy about this morning. I wanted to discuss some of the oddities of life that do not really get any kind of traction or any kind of focus on just some oddities and abnormalities that people experience. And I kind of want to flesh apart some of these things that I think that we grapple with.
And, and I think I can elucidate a better understanding about some of these functions of life that I think confuse a lot of us and how I want to start. This thing. I mean, this thing is. Is a alligator to deal with.
It's like a faceted jewel to a degree. It's like a dodecahedron. You know, there's. There's many different ways you can examine this.
There's many different avenues you can take to kind of crack the kernel on this. But I'm going to start. So basically there is a phenomenon where a lot of people claim that they have etic memory or closed eye hallucinations or prophetic visions. There's a lot of accounts of people just experiencing bizarre phenomenon in their Head, you know, contact with the spirit realm like that, vertiginous visions, lucid dreaming while they're awake, stuff like that.
So whenever I hear these types of phenomenons and whatever, I hear people say that when they close their eyes, they're able to kind of tap into these realms, and they have these. These vivid, garish image imagery, religious imagery, they're able to see in their head. You can always connect people that have these experiences to some form of former drug use. And I'm not saying that in a.
That's not an attack. I'm not really bashing it. But the commonality is that anyone who has these types of experiences that seem extraterrestrial, they always have a history of drug use. And I want to explain what I believe are some biological facts about how the body works.
I have zero science to back this up, but to the naked, observable eye, I think I'm dead on. And one of the things that I think that happens is, is that when you do drug use, particularly probably psychedelics, but I think all drugs kind of operate in the same way. I do not believe that they fully clear your system for a very, very, very long time. There are data packets that essentially get lodged in tissue.
And I believe just like looking at a cup of water, if you stare at a cup of water or you come back to a cup of water that's sitting stagnant, every once in a while you'll see fizz and you'll see bubbles kind of spring forth from nowhere, right? Or it's like dropping a Alka Seltzer tablet in water. What happens is, is that I believe those tiny crystals and science misses the mark on this science. This is undetectable to science.
This is very incognito, but it just makes perfect sense. I think tiny data packets, like tiny crystals get lodged in tissue, and every once in a while, one of those crystals will dislodge itself, misfire. And now you're looking at a re. Refried, refired experience of, like, a former psychedelic.
So, like, people will have these visions. And I fully believe that they are real. Materially, you're actually seeing these things in your head. But I also think that it's a chemical reaction of things that are just kind of untwisting and unbinding themselves in the body.
And I'm a hundred percent sure that's accurate. You can also observe this on the surface of reality. If you've ever been sitting in a room idle, right? The foundation, the ground.
There's. There's no shakiness whatsoever. We've all had the experience where like a vacuum cleaner is leaned up in a closet, right? And the vacuum will just magically fall, or like a, a hamper, a dirty clothes hamper will like fall down like things, objects and will just fall into the undetectable eye.
You're like, how the did that happen? Well, what you didn't see with the naked eye is that thing was slowly leaning and slowly tilting at a pace that you, that like I said, the naked eye couldn't fucking see it. And then the thing just falls and hits the ground. The body is no different in the way that it with things.
Things will just kind of fall and untwist and, and that's kind of how moods and things in the body generally work in the first place. That's why things are so transient in the body. Now the purpose of me mentioning this is because I think this distillation perfectly is cross compatible with my theory on personality formation. And my theory on personality formation I don't think has ever been discussed to my knowledge in any kind of literature whatsoever.
I do not believe that things fully clear the system. I mean, look, let's put, let's fling science into the middle of this fight for a second. Science claims that a teaspoon of canola oil stays lodged in your tissues for seven years. So it ain't that asinine to believe that hard drugs are also finding a way to stay lodged and engorged in certain areas of the body.
Not a fucking far stretch. And so when it comes to personality formation, I don't think that the body really ever heals itself. Okay? The body instead, the more efficient way to deal with trauma, injury, etc, is the body likes to build a cocoon around injury.
It builds a nest, you know what I'm saying? Like the injury itself in the body never ever fully is clear. Ever. You can look on a C map, you can look on all these technological devices, you can always still see that there's a side of injury.
But the body likes to build cocoons around injury as sort of like a cushion. And when it comes to personality formation, I believe that this is an identical mechanism. When there is trauma to the personality or to the self image that a man has, right? Maybe the way you view yourself, the feedback that you get from reality, there's not an even match there.
What happens is, is I believe that the personality is like a layer cake. It builds more features of personality upon trauma to protect that site from ever being re injured. So when there's trauma psychologically through lack of nurturing or through rejection or heartbreak, etc. The personality builds its own cocoon around the site of trauma.
This is how you get ego expansion. This is how people develop personality traits. This is how people stand out from a crowd. This is how people sort of develop and expand and become interesting personalities.
It's all a defense against pain and trauma. And so the personality deals psychologically. The wounds are dealt with in the same way that the breaking of a bone in the body is dealt with at a biological, physiological level. I think this is very hard to argue.
I think that it's dead on headshot, bullet to the dome, proof that the post modern fascination with self development is completely off the mark. Because going into the wires and going into the cables of your personality and trying to untwist these cords and these mechanisms is a recipe for absolute disaster. I believe that being a man, specifically when it comes to dealing with the mental pitfalls and paradigms and traumas of life, being a man is largely about learning how to carry. You have to learn how to carry what you've been given and the cards you've been dealt, you have to carry them everywhere you go.
It's not about being unencumbered. It's not about lightening the ballast, it's not about lightening the load at all. It's about learning to, to carry and structural integrity. And again, these things map perfectly with fitness, health, etc.
Biology, psychology. They all are interwoven. They're so fucking interlinked. You know, there's a reason why farmer carries is considered in the fitness realm.
One of the best bang for buck exercises you can do. It's all about structural integrity. Your, your exoskeleton is learning how to move under heavy load, under heavy stress. The psychological burdens of being a man are no different.
You build structural integrity by carrying your pain with you, by carrying your burdens with you, by carrying the trauma with you and never lightening the fucking load. As we've discussed numerous times. Get to the top of the summit and then go for it. Go to the fucking hot springs in Montana and try to bathe your wounds away.
There is a time and a place for healing, no doubt about it, but it's. There is no place for healing when you're not up the mountain yet. You understand? And, and back to the whole science thing, you know, in, in, in the 14th century, in, in medieval times, which really is not in, is in the not so distant past.
Their model of reality, I think was correct. On a lot of things. The. The first of all, the torture was brute, was absolutely brutal.
The. The inhumane way that they dealt with crime and is out of this realm. For those of you that really want to have your jaw drop, go read about the Wheel of Catherine and go see what the. That they would basically punish the condemned in the Wheel of Catherine, which is where they basically take your limbs and they braid them into the spokes of a giant wheel, and then they spin the wheel and drop heavy things on you until every single limb cracks and breaks in your body.
And they would do this over and over again. But there's one thing about medieval law that I find fascinating, and I think this is the correct way of dealing with a lot of things, is if there was a malfunction in any of the tools that were used to basically give up the ghost of the condemned, they would see it as a divine intervention, and this person was deserved to be set free. So, like, if the wheel stopped spinning and didn't work, or there was a malfunction, like one of those bladed pendulums was swinging down on your head in a guillotine and somehow it malfunctioned, they would look at that as a sign from God to let you go. And you were completely exonerated and absolved from everything that you were.
That you did, and you got a fresh slate. Pretty gangster way to approach a lot of things in life, if you think about it. Because in many ways, that is divine intervention. I gotta take a little smoke break.
Give me some fodder to work with. I got a bunch of other topics and I want to bounce back and forth, but I just want to take a little break here. We got. Gotta make this a conversational sonata, as always.
Yo, Samiak, talk to me. All right, bud. Hello. Hello.
Yes, Bob, talk to us. Yeah, hi. Hi. Yeah, so firstly, I've been consuming your content for a lot of time now.
I'll just pop into the question quickly. So Basically, I am 21 right now. I'll be turning 22 very soon, and I'm moving to Australia for my further studies. Blessings and all the love to you, man, but I do not have the patience to decipher.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much, man. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. The heavy accent, I just can't decipher that right now.
Don't have the patience for it. Appreciate you though, boss. Wish you nothing but the best. Let's get a pro up here.
Yo, yo, yo, yo.
CALLER 1
You think about Freud and Jung and their work on trauma? I think you would cook up a very interesting opinion. Do you think trauma can be removed or is it permanently engraved into you?
HOST
No, I don't. I don't think trauma can be cleared at all. I don't think anything really clears the system. I don't really believe it or not.
I'm not really that academically up to speed on Jung and Freud. I have like a very basic elementary understanding of the two of them. My understanding of Freud is that he basically thought that, that dreams were day residues. He thought that dreams were basically residuum from whatever you were experiencing in your day.
I believe Young came in with a, with a mallet and smashed that to pieces. Jung is very much Freud's predecessor. And then of course I want to say Freud was the Oedipus guy. He basically said that every single issue with a man is it has to do with a conflict with another woman.
I do believe that is true. I do believe 100% of male agony and male dysfunction does have to do with an unresolved conflict with a woman. In many cases it could be your mother, it could be, you know, a lover. But I do believe that especially when it comes to self destructive behavior.
I think that men self destruct when they don't, when they have unresolved conflict with women for sure. And then Jung, Jung is the baller
CALLER 1
that like self destruction. Let's focus on that. Self destruction because of unresolved conflict. We could say that's trauma.
Correct?
HOST
We can say that's trauma. But here's the thing about self destruction. Self destruction is fundamental to just the animal nature of mankind in general. In the sense that I've spoke, I spoke about this before, but I'll go a little bit deeper on it.
Whenever a man is dissatisfied with his life, I've, I've literally to this day I've never seen somebody be able to apply a patch. I don't think patches work. I've never seen someone be able to kind of gradually incrementally get better. When there's a problem in a man's life, something that is agonizing, men tend to go the chemotherapy route, which is they're going to apply vast radiation and they're going to destroy everything in their life to kill every cell so they can fully rebirth and reignite.
And particularly when it comes to relationships with women, men have a very hard time leaving long term relationships, very difficult time. And what I believe is instead of when they get trapped or they feel stuck, this could also apply to the workforce or you're at A job that you feel trapped and stuck in. Men just apply chem, you know, they just destroy everything. They start eating like they stop training.
They let their mind slip away. They let everything kind of die so they can rotate the coals and sort of start the rotisserie again. This just seems to be. And unfortunately, like modern science, modern clinical, medical stuff will say that this is extremely dysfunctional and extremely unhealthy.
Not necessarily the case. Because
CALLER 1
rebirth is that you? Is that you. Is that, is that what you do or is that what like everybody does?
HOST
That's a hundred percent what I do. That's 100 what I do. But as soon as I started embracing that about 15 years ago, a lot of my agony actually disappeared and went away. As soon as I, as soon as I really started to understand.
I mean, because look, man, look at, if you look at the animal kingdom molting, if you want to ever do an interesting read about molting, all animals, literally every single type of species goes through a process of shedding, shedding old skin and generating new. And so, and humans do the same thing. We just do it in a different way because our, you know, obviously we got the neocortex and our psychology is a lot more complex. I mean, people claim dolphins are smart, but they are light years away from being able to English and articulate and articulate and create the kind of art and sonnets and music and that we create.
So you know, because we, because we have that layer of complexity that animals don't have. I think self destruction is our version of molting.
CALLER 1
Well, let's agree on this. Self destruction is a way for people to experience something new and to write, reroute their brain into new beliefs.
HOST
Can we agree on that 100 this
CALLER 1
can you're talking about. It's just beliefs, it's just identity.
HOST
Yeah. And ultimately I do think two men do have an impulse to move towards this notion that they can run it back. I, I think I've said this before, before as well. I think what terrifies men the most, if we're being super honest with ourselves, all of us are, are terrified that if we lost everything, there's a lot of terror in wondering what would happen to your state of being and having dependency on success, having dependency on whatever you've achieved and using that as a crutch to, to lay your confidence mental.
A lot of us are really terrified to question that, like what would happen if this all kind of went away And I had to run it back. This is also why I said the only battleground worth a piss when it comes to self development is your state of being. Because waking up every day a naked man, meaning no Rolex on the wrist. Nothing.
Nothing. What can you do, what can you generate, what can you foster, what can you, what can you create, what kind of earthquakes, what kind of shock waves can you inflict on your reality when you really don't have anything? But that's the barren, that's also the barren, primitive way to live. And so, you know, a lot of my criticism about these primal circles and these guys who live primally is they don't really understand that waking up with nothing is literally how man woke up forever.
You know, And I'm not, and I'm saying, like I'm saying there's a reason why very successful people have to play twisted games with themselves in order to keep these primal desires stirred and cackling at the bonfire. The reason for it is, is because a lot of these very wealthy guys who are manic and crazy spenders and they're lunatics, they'll, you know, they'll get involved in crazy ventures, crazy projects. A lot of the reason why they have to lock their money up and put it in real estate and they have to play a lot games with themselves to basically protect them. A lot of high achieving men, is what I want to say, they have to protect themselves from themselves is the bottom line.
Because the fire does burn so hot in a lot of men that are high achieving that they will self destruct and blow it all up. And so they have to create mechanisms and they have to get in deals where their money's constantly tied up and it's hard to access. They got to stay illiquid. They got to keep playing the game.
They got to find ways to self sabotage so they can keep moving up the ladder. They have no choice. Because if they just have unbridled access to everything that they've earned, they know they're gonna chew through it all.
CALLER 1
But what are, what, what are they running from? What's this you keep talking about men sabotaging themselves? And I'm like, like I don't understand. Of course I, you know, I'm trying.
HOST
What I'm, what I'm saying is what I'm telling you, that man is running away from is. Man is naturally inclined to run away from abundance. Abundance is the most unnatural force on earth. Modernity has given us abundance.
Yes. And if and, and look like, look at all the things that make men happy. It has nothing to do with abundance. It's Solitude, it's being left alone.
It's like family moments with your kids. It's all these intangible things that abundance can't even hold a candle to. So I believe that men are naturally inclined to run away from abundance. I mean, look, man, it's.
It's the whole Kanye meltdown right now. Running away from abundance. Mike Tyson ran away from abundance. Dan Bilzerian running away from abundance.
Everyone who gets there wants to run away from it and hit the restart button. It's the toughest. The toughest thing on earth, man. Dude, there's a great quote by Genghis Khan.
Of all people. Genghis Khan has a quote, and I don't really know if it's an accurate attribution to him, but it doesn't matter. Apparently he said, conquering the world by horseback is easy. Getting off the horse and governing is hard.
I'm gonna say that again. Conquering the world on horseback is easy. Getting off the horse and governing is hard says everything you need to say about mankind in one sentence. It's easy to keep playing the game when you got to keep moving.
Second, you get off your horse and start counting your chickens and start counting your chips and looking at the scoreboard and seeing how much you got tucked away, things start to take a very different psychological toll.
CALLER 1
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I wouldn't agree, man. I think that's very.
And I want to challenge you here because everybody here is like, supporting your ideas, but I think go for it.
HOST
Hey, I don't challenge it. Sounds like you're having trouble, but I'll give you a couple minutes because I've
CALLER 1
been listening to you for like 1.5 years, maybe 2, and I used to believe that, like all this self sabotage stuff you talk about, like, it's a very binary way of thinking, if I can say that, you know, and I found a lot of actually effectiveness and I haven't seen so much growth. And it's in dealing with.
HOST
Say that again. Say that again. You found effectiveness but not growth?
CALLER 1
No, no, I found effectiveness and growth, sustainable growth, and actually dealing with the parts of the MA of my mind which were troubling me, which you could say shadow work, integrating the shadow and making it work for me, but not in a bad way. Okay. And I find that through. And this is totally against your philosophy, through logic and through the parts of my mind dealing with trauma that I've experienced.
HOST
So you're telling me. So you're telling me that you can logic your way out of trauma. You're telling me that if you rewrite the story in your head enough times and bombard yourself with thoughts and say this didn't happen, it happened this way. You're telling me that basically you can rewrite the memory in your CPU to believe that?
CALLER 1
No, I'm not saying you can rewrite the memory. I'm saying you can interpret their memory another way which totally changes your position. Let me give you an example.
HOST
I'm all ears.
CALLER 1
When I was, let's say 12, right. I was an art kid in a very, very. I'm in Eastern Europe, I was an arcade. And, and you know, that's being different, okay.
And people didn't like different. And I was home schooled, all right? And so naturally I got some comments like oh, you don't go to school or where's your friends? Blah, blah.
Right. And that, that basically puts a. It's like trauma. Yeah.
And the trauma is the belief that you're not worthy, that basically people don't like you. Right. And you keep living with that idea until you figure out. Wait a second, who, who was telling me all of this?
Oh, 12 year old kids. Well, why the. Did I set their ideas right? And then you.
I end up realizing I've been living off some old motto of that I set them from somebody else when in fact I'm perfectly fine. So. And given that I, I don't understand how this trauma is staying with me when it's past gone and it's like a thing of the. I'm a different person now,
HOST
okay.
CALLER 1
According to your philosophy, to your philosophy, I should be running around like a madman with a chip on my shoulder as fuel to prove these people wrong in a sense.
HOST
No, that was, that was never prescription. That's not how this game works at all. That was never. That was, that was never a recommendation.
That was, that was me speaking from a, from a personal experience. But also, also something that I've witnessed on a very broad scope across humanity is I've said it's. I've. I've always said it that the teeter totter can go one of both ways.
Either the trauma is going to ignite forces in you that you didn't know exist and latent talents are going to spring forth. Or, or it's gonna have an anesthetic effect and put you to sleep and go the other way and you're going to implode upon yourself. I've seen the teeter totter go both ways. Let me tell you this though.
The true 1% bracket of firebrands and people that the faces that you see emblazoned all over your screen every day are the. Are part of the camp of the former. I don't make. Hey, I don't make the rules.
I'm just an observer. I'm just an observer of nature. That's all I can tell you. So I'm not saying one style is better than the other.
I'm telling you. You want to talk about being effective, which is a word you use that came out of your mouth. If you want to truly be effective, then you have to embrace the weapons that God has given you the weapons in. In other words, if you can step into an armory.
Okay, if you take the average person into an armory and you get pick of the litter, you can pick a grenade launcher. You can pick a. You can pick a cannon off an M1A1 Abrams tank, or you can pick a water squirt gun. Most people are taking the squirt gun.
All I'm saying is, is if you know that you have access to the armory and you can get the best weapons, why the would you not use them to your advantage?
CALLER 1
Well, you're very right.
HOST
And I'm also here to tell you, brother, that I do believe that you can rewrite the stories in your head about your past through logic. I do believe you can do that. However, it needs to be said that is an exercise in entertainment. You haven't actually changed anything on a fundamental level.
I can re. I can rewrite my story with the best of them if I want to. I can do it all day long. I can sit here with a pen and paper and write about my past and my history and all the things that have hurt me, et cetera, et cetera.
I'm sure I can fucking craft an amazing story in my head and get myself to believe it. That's fine. That's all fine and dandy, but it's. It's flatulent.
You understand? It's. It's for entertainment purposes. Nothing has truly changed.
That's why I don't. That's why I don't like the idea of descending deep into your psyche to understand.
CALLER 1
Yes, because you keep making stuff up just to make stuff just to correct.
HOST
Correct. You're choreographing. You're just making up. And you can do that, and you can do that, because, as you know, I am pro crutches.
I am very pro crutches. I'm pro cope. I think coping is a necessity as a man. There's zero reality, and truth is Very grim and very bleak.
I see no problem with a short, ugly guy telling himself he's the best creature on earth. I see no problem with that. I think that's a more accurate. But again, that's also rewriting the vision in your head.
And that is for entertainment purposes. You know, a kind of an adjunct to this brother, to kind of bring this home further, is that someone asked me the other day, they said, what is the most attractive quality in a man to a woman? Texting tech. One of my boys texted me.
They like, what's the number one? And I actually had to sit there for a minute, and I responded and I said, entitlement.
CALLER 1
Entitlement. Like something.
HOST
Correct. And I do. I. I think.
I don't think there's a more accurate word for it. Because we all know at a fundamental level that life does not go to the deserving. Life is not a meritocracy. Life gets handed to those who reach out and take it.
You understand? And so being. Being an inferior being, an unferior being in an inferior, unqualified man, and then being able to punch above your weight and being able to take on a challenge that you are not qualified for. There is nothing more masculine than that.
CALLER 1
Nothing. 100. But let me ask.
HOST
And so. And. And that's. And that's the beauty of the whole.
That's the whole Beauty and the beast thing, right? The Ogre in Paradise is what I call it. Women love the Ogre in Paradise. Women love the.
The not so handsome, not so put. Not so put together, who has blazing confidence and aptitude and will take on challenges that he's not even worthy of on paper, of doing.
CALLER 1
Yeah, but he's wording in his mind, otherwise he wouldn't shoot for them. Correct.
HOST
That's it, baby. That's the entitlement. But you can't manufacture entitlement either. People are like, I'm gonna walk around and pretend that I deserve this.
You can't live that way either. You know the best mental.
CALLER 1
Pretend you are.
HOST
Exactly. You don't pretend it. The best model to go through life, man, is like, guys will pass. Guys will pass by women.
And then they'll message me and be like, dude, I'm beating myself up. There's this chick that I should have spoken to. Missed the mark. I think the best model to go through life is when you walk by a woman that you were interested in and nothing happened.
You really should be in a natural state of being that she should have said hi to you. That's the ultimate fucking Place to be on everything. On everything. And by the way, that kind of entitlement does have gravitational forces that will suck things into your vortex.
There is no doubt about it.
CALLER 1
And you're not. Are you born with it?
HOST
No, I don't think you're born with entitlement at all. I think that. I think entitlement is actually a kingly trait, for sure. I think it's a.
It's. It's an aristocratic trait, definitely. There could be some blood engineering with it. But I think ultimately, man, like I said before in the beginning of the show, I think that entitlement is absolutely a defense mechanism against trauma.
You get. You get beat up enough times and you find a way to come back, eventually you're gonna have no choice but to sit there and think that you're deserving of more than what you really deserve. It's. It's.
This is triumphalism, by the way.
CALLER 1
Yes, yes. You can't want something if you don't have it in the first place.
HOST
There you go. Triumphalism. Triumphalism is a very powerful mental model. It has to do with, you know, being conceited, being haughty, being cavalier.
All those traits that get kind of decried by the. By the corporate ministry. I think that a lot of those traits are actually very beneficial if you can learn how to use them properly, but you can't manufacture this. And, and look, the reason why I'm so pro challenge and making life complicated and more difficult than it has to be is for one simple reason.
Because I think that when you do overcome those challenges, I think what happens is, is you do learn to fully rely and depend on yourself. And I think that's really what my ultimate wish for every man is, is to really learn how to holster your own being, to. To achieve whatever you want. You don't need anything.
You don't need a sales pitch. You don't need to hone this skill, this talent. It's already all within you.
CALLER 1
You.
HOST
And I really. I. I really believe. I really believe that.
By the way, sidebar, because you mentioned it earlier,
CALLER 1
wild bar.
HOST
Conservatism is kind of gay in the modern world because you have to understand that. It's like you have to embrace the new norms. And. And one of the new norms that I think has gone over people's heads that we need to start embracing is that in many ways, incompetency has been promoted.
Kind of goes back to what I said about being an unqualified man. People that are incompetent, I see Absolutely. Going higher than anybody else. Competency is very, very overrated in the sense that we now live in a timeline where you get rewarded for taking on things that you're not qualified to try.
Like, everything is so accessible now. Do you know what I'm saying?
CALLER 1
Yeah, but it all around the backs, it all rolls back to you believing you're worth it. But through trauma, at one point, you, you, you may believe you're not worth it. Right. And I don't, I don't get how you, how you can change it in a way.
HOST
Feeling worthy.
CALLER 1
Yeah. Truly just thinking about, wait a second, like, none of this that I was told was true, and then boom, you snagged up. You snap back to your perfect self, which you were born as a baby, you know, as you said, you're like, born. You don't need anything else.
You're perfect.
HOST
No, because what, because you're. What you're doing is you're agitating definitions between change and evolution. I've said on a prior spaces that I don't believe change is possible for a man at all. The change is not real.
Evolution is real in the sense that as a man, you do become more of what you were always meant to be. But that's not change. People, people miss fire and miscalculate that and they think that what they're witnessing is change. It's not.
It's you becoming more of what you already were.
CALLER 1
We agree on actually this, because low
HOST
key, we agreed on everything. You tried to throw a monkey wrench in the wheel, but really, you just subliminally agreed with everything I just said.
CALLER 1
Because trauma is just eluding you, making you think something else, when in reality it's made. It's. It's like distracting you from who you are, which is actually, you know, everything you need to be. So in that.
So in the end of the day, removing trauma is returning back to who you are. It's not building something, it's not adding. You need to remove.
HOST
Hey, man, I enjoyed the banter.
CALLER 1
It was great. Thank you.
HOST
I'm gonna keep it moving. Take it easy. You know what's funny about life? Being unemployed, like, chronic unemployment.
Being unemployed for a very long period of time and learning how to keep your head above water and being super scrappy and kind of just knowing how to survive and being resourceful with whatever you got. Isn't it funny that extended unemployment and the people that I know that have been unemployed forever and learned how to work for themselves and literally create material out of thin air at the End of a long stint of unemployment. I truly believe that you are basically qualified for any job. Like, I've been unemployed for 20 years, just been super scrappy, built, built a couple businesses, built some systems.
I've gone belly up a hundred times. I really could probably step into pretty much any corporate position right now with zero resume. And I. I would.
I would smash everybody. There's no doubt about it. The CEO of Chase might disagree with me, but he can take a hike for a day and give me the reigns. Let's see what happens.
It's. And what I'm really talking about here is aptitude. Just aptitude. Like the ability to adapt, the ability to learn a gig.
I just think it would come so easy. There's nothing I couldn't do. There's no role I wouldn't crush. Zero.
None. Because the ultimate life skill is just knowing how to live. It's not about employment. It's not none.
It's not about these adult responsibilities that everybody freaks out about. It's learning how to live. Living. You understand?
None of the skills are actually learned on the job. That was a lie. That was a big fat lie. All the skills are learned off the job.
If we're really being honest. I mean, those of you who think you're clever are going to be like, what about being a surgeon? What about. I mean, shut the up.
Obviously, there's certain ones that are going to require a high level of academia. But the point still remains. Being unemployed for long periods of time is how you find your true calling. Number one, it's the only way to find your true calling.
You get blunted when you get stuck on. When you ladle yourself with a soup of steady income, you know what I'm saying? You end up cucking your spirit. You end up kind of squelching and extinguishing the voices that kind of are trying to lead you in the correct direction.
But I'm not saying I understand that all of this is a harmonious ecosystem. Of course we need day laborers. We need all these people. I'm just saying, for those of you that know there's a higher calling for you and have known for.
For quite some time, unemployment is the only way you're going to figure out what to do. That simple. There's not a case in history where someone knew the next clear, perfect move while they were posted at a position that they hated. The side gig, the side project.
That's all nonsense.